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    What other details relevant to the security of our democracy and the threat that Donald Trump and Republicans pose to it are DC media sitting on because it'll really help their book sales, I wonder?

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    https://www.esquire.com/news-politic...eorgia-senate/

    Esquire, pointing out the absurdity of Republicans running for political office as "not a politician".

    I mean, would you hire an electrician to do your plumbing work? A mechanic to repaint your house? A pipefitter to do landscaping? Then why elect someone with no interest in being a politician to...be a politician?

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    https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/12/polit...ses/index.html

    Unsurprisingly, Trump objects to the DoJ's proposed special masters.

    "Plaintiff objects to the proposed nominees of the Department of Justice. Plaintiff believes there are specific reasons why those nominees are not preferred for service as Special Master in this case," the Trump lawyers wrote.
    What are these specific reasons? Your guess is as good as mine, Trump's lawyers didn't bother elaborating. But there's sorta a reason -

    "Plaintiff also submits it is more respectful to the candidates from either party to withhold the bases for opposition from a public, and likely to be widely circulated, pleading," Trump's lawyers wrote. "Therefore, Plaintiff asks this Court for permission to specifically express our objections to the Government's nominees only at such time that the Court specifies a desire to obtain and consider that information."
    "They didn't ask" is a valid reason I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Minor correction, but the issue is solely the process issue of not instructing the taint team to look for documents potentially protected by executive privilege.

    And by "assertions of executive privilege survive leaving the office," I mean "it is wrong to say leaving the office takes away his ability to assert them under the law (because his leaving office removes them)." I linked the relevant case law in earlier posts.

    His capacity to assert and potentially win in court ("survives the office") necessitates a court case to overrule it. Not the DoJ deciding, in its wisdom, that it'll disregard Supreme Court precedent.

    Definitely enough repetition on this one. I only wonder if you think the Supreme Court didn't write the opinion, or Supreme Court opinions do not matter, or you don't think Nixon was president (in order to be an ex-president), or if you don't think Nixon ever left office (in which case, he can't have been party to a lawsuit as an ex-president, since he was current president until death).

    His capacity to assert it over documents survives leaving the office. It is up to the courts to determine whether or not particular documents are subject to it, or higher concerns overrule actual executive privilege, not the DoJ.

    The Supreme Court, in Nixon vs GSA, found that ex-presidents still retained executive privilege. They reasoned that it was for the same reasons executive privilege exists in the first place. They even wrote on intricacies surrounding retained executive privilege, after they stated it exists.
    You can claim it all you fucking want, but you are FUCKING WRONG. It isn't his property, it is the governments property. He CAN'T CLAIM executive privilege.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    Relative to the real world, the right-wing control the entirety of the internet. Everywhere you go, it's shilling Trump and the Republicans.
    Fucking prove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit Halloween Voter View Post
    HAs the press figured out what Trump is doing in DC current?
    Did he go to Red Lobster with Maggie Haberman?
    Did he go to the CNN office to have John Licht kiss ass?
    From what I can gather from people on Twitter, he claimed he was "working" and golfing in DC. Problem is, it is raining pretty heavily in DC today.

    But there is this:

    Problem is, they are all in golf attire, but not wearing golf cleats, nor do they have any golf clubs on any of the carts they are driving around.

    The reported people with him, are Sean Hannity, Devin Nunes, Eric Trump, and others that haven't been identified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.newsweek.com/trump-worki...arrest-1742184

    So Trump apparently went to DC to "work" at his DC golf course. Which would explain the attire and all, and the local leo showing up as escort.

    Darn, who could have guessed Twitter hyperbole wouldn't be remotely accurate.
    But what is weird, he is in golf attire, but no golf cleats and no clubs. They are fake golfing, while it was raining in DC today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/plaint...ke-my-name-off

    Reminder: Don't trust Republicans.

    Voter for Laura Loomer (lol) in FL was added on as a plaintiff to a lawsuit claiming election fraud. Lady had no idea she was on the lawsuit and wants the fuck off because she's seen no election fraud. How'd she get on? A fellow Loomer-voter told her to talk to a shady as fuck lawyer, who added her to the lawsuit without asking or telling her.

    Just a reminder that the majority of the folks on the right seem to be fairly unethical, undisciplined grifters and liars.
    That's another lawyer in need of a lawyer? Because I hope adding someone to a lawsuit without their consent is an ethics violation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    This is how business is done when you only want certain people making plans with you and nobody else to overhear you.
    Yeah, its mob type of behavior, he thinks his clubs are bugged. Which at this time, I hope they all are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    You can claim it all you fucking want, but you are FUCKING WRONG. It isn't his property, it is the governments property. He CAN'T CLAIM executive privilege.

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    Fucking prove it.

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    From what I can gather from people on Twitter, he claimed he was "working" and golfing in DC. Problem is, it is raining pretty heavily in DC today.

    But there is this:

    Problem is, they are all in golf attire, but not wearing golf cleats, nor do they have any golf clubs on any of the carts they are driving around.

    The reported people with him, are Sean Hannity, Devin Nunes, Eric Trump, and others that haven't been identified.

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    But what is weird, he is in golf attire, but no golf cleats and no clubs. They are fake golfing, while it was raining in DC today.
    This is Trump giving Hannity et al their next set of talking points in an attempt to sway public opinion in the face of being revealed as a traitor. Fucking pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelannerai View Post
    This is Trump giving Hannity et al their next set of talking points in an attempt to sway public opinion in the face of being revealed as a traitor. Fucking pathetic.
    So hope one of them is an informant.
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    to your ublock or adblock filter to actually ignore ignored posters. Now just need a way to ignore responses to them as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Yeah, its mob type of behavior, he thinks his clubs are bugged. Which at this time, I hope they all are.
    Michael Cohen, the former lawyer of Trump, said that he heard from those inside Trump world that the former president wanted to speak with his lawyers but didn't trust their offices. That presumably extends to phones and video chats.
    Paranoia is a real thing. Trump sees enemies everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    So hope one of them is an informant.
    Considering these geniuses are having a meeting where you can easily listen in the FBI wouldn't need one just a good mike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelannerai View Post
    This is Trump giving Hannity et al their next set of talking points in an attempt to sway public opinion in the face of being revealed as a traitor. Fucking pathetic.
    If so I doubt the political shrewdness of trump rambling off instructions in the middle of a field.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    If so I doubt the political shrewdness of trump rambling off instructions in the middle of a field.
    He's probably having one of his temper tantrums and doesn't want to have it in a building where other people could hear. Not so much out of being afraid of being heard but because it makes him feel superior bringing these scrubs out to his zone. It's a power play. Kind of like when you were a kid and pissed off your parents in public so they brought you to a secluded area and whispered to you what's going to happen when you get home. Like that only more screaming.

    Sure he could scream at them in his office, but this shows his authority by making them follow him out in the golf course where none of them are going to be playing.

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    #BREAKING: DOJ tells court it supports one of Trump’s nominees for special master trib.al/cccPRQ2
    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1...lTyb_jL7g&s=19

    I have a bad feeling about this. Trump does not appoint someone who will not do his bidding. If it's one of the two I posted earlier and seems uncompromised, beware.
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    FBI issues 40 subpoenas to Team Trump on the topic of the criminal Fake Electors investigation.

    Justice Department officials have seized the phones of two top advisers to former President Donald J. Trump and blanketed his aides with about 40 subpoenas in a substantial escalation of the investigation into his efforts to subvert the 2020 election, people familiar with the inquiry said on Monday.

    The seizure of the phones, coupled with a widening effort to obtain information from those around Mr. Trump after the 2020 election, represent some of the most aggressive steps the department has taken thus far in its criminal investigation into the actions that led to the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the Capitol by a pro-Trump mob.

    The extent of the investigation has come into focus in recent days, even though it has often been overshadowed by the government’s legal clash with Mr. Trump and his lawyers over a separate inquiry into the handling of presidential records, including highly classified materials, the former president kept at his residence in Florida, Mar-a-Lago.

    Federal agents with court-authorized search warrants took phones last week from at least two people: Boris Epshteyn, an in-house counsel who helps coordinate Mr. Trump’s legal efforts, and Mike Roman, a campaign strategist who was the director of Election Day operations for the Trump campaign in 2020, people familiar with the investigation said.

    Mr. Epshteyn and Mr. Roman have been linked to a critical element of Mr. Trump’s bid to hold onto power: the effort to name slates of electors pledged to Mr. Trump from swing states won by Joseph R. Biden Jr. in 2020 as part of a plan to block or delay congressional certification of Mr. Biden’s Electoral College victory.

    The names of those receiving the latest round of subpoenas in the investigation related to Jan. 6 have dribbled out gradually, with investigators casting a wide net on a range of issues, including Mr. Trump’s postelection fund-raising and the so-called fake electors scheme.

    One of the recipients, people familiar with the case said, was Dan Scavino, Mr. Trump’s former social media director who rose from working at a Trump-owned golf course to become one of his most loyal West Wing aides, and has remained an adviser since Mr. Trump left office.

    Another was Bernard B. Kerik, a former New York City police commissioner. Mr. Kerik, who promoted claims of voter fraud alongside his friend Rudolph W. Giuliani, was issued a subpoena by prosecutors with the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington, his lawyer, Timothy Parlatore, said on Monday. Mr. Parlatore said his client had initially offered to grant an interview voluntarily.

    The subpoenas seek information in connection with the fake electors plan.

    According to one subpoena obtained by The New York Times, they asked for any records or communications from people who organized, spoke at or provided security for Mr. Trump’s rally at the Ellipse. They also requested information about any members of the executive and legislative branches who may have taken part in planning or executing the rally, or tried to “obstruct, influence, impede or delay” the certification of the presidential election.

    At least 20 of these subpoenas were sent out and sought information about, and communications with, several lawyers who took part in the fake elector scheme, including Mr. Giuliani and John Eastman.
    Well. I think we know why Trump was hiding on a rainy golf course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Well. I think we know why Trump was hiding on a rainy golf course.
    You'd figure they'd go somewhere with more background noise if they're hoping to have a secret planning session that can't be listened into. Don't they have some construction going somewhere? They could just hang around there and use the background noise to cover up whatever they're actually talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    You'd figure they'd go somewhere with more background noise if they're hoping to have a secret planning session that can't be listened into.
    Trump can barely see. You think he can hear with background noise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Trump can barely see. You think he can hear with background noise?
    I would say he's probably got tinnitus from all those loud rallies but...I think we've seen they've been a lot less well attended and loud in recent years. Homeboy probably sits down for the hearing test and like 5 minutes in asks the person giving it, "Has it started, yet?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I would say he's probably got tinnitus from all those loud rallies but...I think we've seen they've been a lot less well attended and loud in recent years. Homeboy probably sits down for the hearing test and like 5 minutes in asks the person giving it, "Has it started, yet?"
    5 Minutes? Well aren't you optimistic.

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    Following the revelations in a new book, the Senate vows to look into the pressures Trump put on the DoJ to investigate his rivals.

    "Yes, the thing he campaign promised to do," the Senate said. "We're not sure what anyone expects here, everyone refused his demands because they were corrupt as fuck."

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    House Oversight committee asks NARA if Trump has any outstanding documents.

    "They're all outstanding!" Trump replied, "they were the most bigly, most yuge documents ever."

    In a letter Tuesday to acting Archivist of the United States Debra Steidel Wall, Maloney said she is concerned that "sensitive presidential records may remain out of the control and custody" of the federal government because of "revelations that Mr. Trump’s representatives misled investigators about his continued possession of government property and that material found at his club included dozens of 'empty folders' for classified material."

    "In light of the serious risk that Mr. Trump may still be retaining sensitive government records at Mar-a-Lago or his other properties, I urge NARA to seek a personal certification from Donald Trump that he has surrendered all presidential records that he illegally removed from the White House after leaving office," Maloney wrote.

    She said she wants the written certification from Trump to confirm that he has also not made any copies or reproductions of presidential records and hasn't transferred any records or government documents to anyone besides the Archives or the Department of Justice.

    The committee chairwoman also asked that the Archives "conduct an urgent review" of records recovered from Trump's White House to determine "whether presidential records remain unaccounted for and potentially in the possession of the former president."
    Yeah, that bolded part. After Trump's lawyers fucked up royally, the House will not accept some rando saying "yeah it's fine" anymore. If Trump refuses to sign a statement that he's made no copies, that should be taken as a sign of guilt. If he does sign, and it's false, his problem won't be perjury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzjhath View Post
    Those documents might have privilege.

    They should still be in the hands of NARA

    What are your thoughts on them being in the wrong hands?
    Considering my many posts on the subject, I'd like to hear from you in the affirmative or the negative that the DoJ should've treated the seized documents as being potentially protected by both executive privilege and attorney-client privilege. Alternatively, tell me if you think the DoJ was wrong and hasty to have disregarded such possible concerns considering Supreme Court precedent on the matter?

    I'm afraid further questions on related topics will have to wait until someone in these parts acknowledges DoJ error. It's a rather simple point that has no real influence on future findings by a judge in court, or even a possible indictment by Trump. If every member is willing to die on the hill of no process mistake whatsoever, future answers may be futile for the same issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    As you spent the last entire week arguing an irrelevant point
    People kept protesting that I was in the wrong, and I was happy to provide judicial argument from a district court judge, the relevant Supreme Court precedent, and additional information up to the point of needless repetition. My notifications of post quotes certainly showed they were relevant to a certain cadre of posters, and indeed they're relevant to the possible appointment of a special master.

    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    You can claim it all you fucking want, but you are FUCKING WRONG. It isn't his property, it is the governments property. He CAN'T CLAIM executive privilege.
    My dear sir, you are continuing to argue that seven justices of the Supreme Court was nincompoops on the subject of executive privilege and "government property" in 1977. You've given no shred of evidence to why they're wrong, and you've barely acknowledged their arguments to why you're wrong, so I must ask again

    if you think Nixon was president,

    and if you admit he was not president in 1977,

    and what your theory is that Supreme Court justices argued and dissented about a case that you declare had no business being anything but 9-0 for reason of "he CAN'T CLAIM executive privilege." Do you have any intention to discuss your theories to why you find Nixon vs GSA to be so obviously wrongly argued? Any at all? Why didn't the Supreme Court give a one-liner answer to the tune of "Of course he can't assert it" instead of "he retains it, naturally, but let's discuss the details of competing claims?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    People kept protesting that I was in the wrong
    You were. The citiations you kept repeating have no bearing in current context. "People" were right. You citing the same wrong case over and over doesn't somehow make it relevant.

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