Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Paranoid Android]

I'm still not big on this story but here it is:

Breaking News: A grand jury in New York has voted to indict Donald Trump over his role in a hush money payment to a porn star, according to four people with knowledge of the matter

[Breccia]

I'm still not big on this story

Agreed, I'll wait till the NYTimes has it.

(19 minutes ago)

Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump in New York

A Manhattan grand jury voted to indict Donald J. Trump on Thursday for his role in paying hush money to a porn star, according to five people with knowledge of the matter, a historic development that will shake up the 2024 presidential race and forever mark him as the nation’s first former president to face criminal charges.

An indictment will likely be announced in the coming days. By then, prosecutors working for the district attorney, Alvin L. Bragg, will have asked Mr. Trump to surrender and to face arraignment on charges that remain unknown for now.

So, that's interesting. Let's see what actually happens next.

[Shadowferal]

In time for the weekend...

[Paranoid Android]

@Breccia.

Sorry I should have been more clear. I'm not big on this indictment. It's kind of weak. It can almost be classified as a misdemeanor and will get the least possible of fine and whatever.

I just watched Fox&Friends and they were going batshit crazy. It was funny. But I forgot which of the crazy's, think it was Watters made a good case of this being a weak prosecution.

Of course I want this mofo to get his due and him rallying the crazies more now will just solidify his nomination. The backlash and this is broken brain politics here is; he gets his slap on the wrist and the Big Ones of Georgian and Jan 6th will just them saying "they couldn't get him in Manhattan, so now this". Yes, they would manipulate it no matter, just in the end this does not get me too much interested in this case.

[Edge-]

It's a huge moment, but I hope folks don't think much will happen quickly as a result.

For comparison, Ken Paxton (TX AG) was indicted in 2015. Here's his mugshot -



Not very flattering.

Anyways, Ken Paxton won re-election as AG 7 years after his indictment in the last elections (2022).

[Breccia]

Sorry I should have been more clear. I'm not big on this indictment. It's kind of weak. It can almost be classified as a misdemeanor and will get the least possible of fine and whatever.

It's a starting pistol. Once Trump has been indicted once, it takes the fear out of "do we want to be the first in history to do this?" off Georgia and the feds.

Well, that's my hope, at least.

[Kaleredar]

@Breccia.

Sorry I should have been more clear. I'm not big on this indictment. It's kind of weak. It can almost be classified as a misdemeanor and will get the least possible of fine and whatever.

I just watched Fox&Friends and they were going batshit crazy. It was funny. But I forgot which of the crazy's, think it was Watters made a good case of this being a weak prosecution.

Of course I want this mofo to get his due and him rallying the crazies more now will just solidify his nomination. The backlash and this is broken brain politics here is; he gets his slap on the wrist and the Big Ones of Georgian and Jan 6th will just them saying "they couldn't get him in Manhattan, so now this". Yes, they would manipulate it no matter, just in the end this does not get me too much interested in this case.

A slap on the wrist, if that’s all that comes of it, is still a criminal conviction, should he indeed be convicted.

“Trump is a criminal in the eyes of the law, you’re voting for a criminal” does not play well to the average voter. Lump on top of that “on legal record he paid hush money to a prostitute” plastered across the news, repeatedly. And defeating trump, just like in 2020, was never about trying to convince his psychopath base as to his true nature. It’s about exposing it to everyone else.

[Fugus]

@Breccia.

Sorry I should have been more clear. I'm not big on this indictment. It's kind of weak. It can almost be classified as a misdemeanor and will get the least possible of fine and whatever.

I just watched Fox&Friends and they were going batshit crazy. It was funny. But I forgot which of the crazy's, think it was Watters made a good case of this being a weak prosecution.

Of course I want this mofo to get his due and him rallying the crazies more now will just solidify his nomination. The backlash and this is broken brain politics here is; he gets his slap on the wrist and the Big Ones of Georgian and Jan 6th will just them saying "they couldn't get him in Manhattan, so now this". Yes, they would manipulate it no matter, just in the end this does not get me too much interested in this case.

This seemed like a situation where they all wanted a piece of him but none of them wanted to be the one to draw first blood on him.

They just drew first blood, it is also minor enough that his supporters won't get so animated as the major ones while still preparing them mentally for the feeding frenzy that might soon follow.

This is effectively a mob boss where all those in actual law enforcement wanted to hold him accountable but didn't want to be the one to put their own head in the noose of being the one to take a shot at him. But once one of them makes that opening attack, the others now have cover.

Here is to hoping that the others actually have the balls to be at least the ones to draw second and third blood on an objectively guilty target.

[Breccia]

A slap on the wrist, if that’s all that comes of it, is still a criminal conviction, should he indeed be convicted.

Let's also not forget, that Trump wandering around going to rallies or speeches will be trickier if he's due in court. The grand jury heard a bunch of evidence and testimony, and that's not even including the defense. And if Trump attempts "Your Honor, let's schedule the trial till after the election, because I'll be elected and then refuse to show up" the response will be "no, we're not doing that".

Again, assuming charges are actually filed. Trump lied about it once, but the NYTimes (and others) have their own sources and literally any news source is more credible than Trump, yes even FOX News, they admitted they knew it was a lie at least.

[Fugus]

I know it probably isn't likely, but I still wonder if we will see a headline before too long where Trump sneaks out of the US and flees to Russia or China.

[Breccia]

I know it probably isn't likely, but I still wonder if we will see a headline before too long where Trump sneaks out of the US and flees to Russia or China.

Even the worst of Trump's charges aren't a death sentence, and Trump thinks he can win in 2024. He will fight every charge until every single one of his lawyers is sanctioned and disbarred.

[Belize]

I know it probably isn't likely, but I still wonder if we will see a headline before too long where Trump sneaks out of the US and flees to Russia or China.

I'm sure there's a note in his case that says "Flight risk"

[Fugus]

Even the worst of Trump's charges aren't a death sentence, and Trump thinks he can win in 2024. He will fight every charge until every single one of his lawyers is sanctioned and disbarred.

The question becomes, which would stroke his ego best.

Staying here fighting all these trials for the next year hoping to go to the next election and winning.
Or leaving to Russia/China and admitting he conned an entire political party and damaged a nation for his own benefit.

Especially given how transactional he sees the world and how for him to win it requires for another to lose.

Him fleeing to Russia at this point would be iffy since he sees the writing on the wall with that going down but China could still be on the table, especially if he has some choice classified documents to buy his way into it. Then spend the rest of his life living like royalty while watching the US stuck in the mess he created on his way out.

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I'm sure there's a note in his case that says "Flight risk"

Here is to hoping.

Bonus, we see him arrested for attempting to flee not realizing he was flagged and watched where even a private plane wasn't an option.

[Breccia]

I'm sure there's a note in his case that says "Flight risk"

"Has own plane he thinks is Air Force One and multiple passports"

[jonnysensible]

he will not be found gwynnoccent

[Fugus]

"Has own plane he thinks is Air Force One and multiple passports"

Or worse, he actually has some Trumpers help smuggle him out or something treating him like Snowden. Even though Snowden exposed corruption, Trump IS corruption.

[Kaleredar]

I know it probably isn't likely, but I still wonder if we will see a headline before too long where Trump sneaks out of the US and flees to Russia or China.

If he does he can take his sycophants with him

[Corvus]

Might be hard for fatty to outwaddled his secret service detail - they probably have orders to prevent him fleeing in such a manner.

[Breccia]

Trump is fundraising off Thursday's indictment, writing in part in an email: “The Deep State will use anything at their disposal to shut down the one political movement that puts YOU first.”

The email to donors is topped with a headline from The New York Times on Trump's indictment. Much of the email borrows some of the same language from the statement of Trump's official response to the indictment.

"We are living through the darkest chapter of American history," the email reads. "Ever since I ran for president as a complete political outsider, the corrupt ruling class has tried to shut down our America First movement."

"With your support, we will write the next great chapter of American history – and 2024 will forever go down as the year we saved our Republic. WE WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!" the email reads.

He sure had that ready to go. Either he knew this was coming and had time to write it, very likely, or it's a form letter for emergency grifting, also likely.

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Might be hard for fatty to outwaddled his secret service detail - they probably have orders to prevent him fleeing in such a manner.

At least fingerprinting won't take long.

[beanman12345]

https://www.rawstory.com/allen-weiss...-trump-lawyer/

Interesting development, more bad news for the orange turd.

Yeah I'm pretty sure Weisselberg flipped.

Odd's trump will smile on his mug shot?