Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Jtbrig7390]

It could very easily be a lawyer falling on the sword to prevent Trump's lying (yes, I think he's lying) to cost him impeachment and criminal charges. I agree there.

But lay off the "no lawyer in their right mind" stuff. You already know he's working for Trump, who ignores lawyer advice all the time. The mindset of the lawyer isn't the issue here.

Well you would think a good lawyer wouldn't incriminate there own client.

I would assume anyway, Maybe hes playing 5D chess.

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Git rekt.

TBF you had a link. We'll call it even.

Deal LOL....

[Fenixhart]

I don't think a lawyer handing you a piece of paper and saying "here, tweet this" is against Twitter's TOS.

Trump can't stick to his own script let alone any script anyone hands him

[Acidbaron]

It could very easily be a lawyer falling on the sword to prevent Trump's lying (yes, I think he's lying) to cost him impeachment and criminal charges. I agree there.

But lay off the "no lawyer in their right mind" stuff. You already know he's working for Trump, who ignores lawyer advice all the time. The mindset of the lawyer isn't the issue here.

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I don't think a lawyer handing you a piece of paper and saying "here, tweet this" is against Twitter's TOS.

The amount of times they need to be consulted i imagine they are making quite a bit of money representing him.


Also, lol @ the cuban pete bit.

[wunksta]

If it was a lawyer, why write it in the first place?

[Breccia]

If it was a lawyer, why write it in the first place?

Trump needed something to try to get some distance from this. In theory, pretending Flynn was a lone wolf who got caught and fired would help. In theory, it was possible to create some distance between Trump and the people he intentionally hired that committed illegal acts -- possibly on Trump's direct orders, possibly without Trump's knowledge.

The execution, however, did not do this at all. So, yeah, that guy needs to be fired, or it's an admission of guilt.

[Edge-]

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/36...g-not-spending

Grassley isn't hiding his contempt for regular Americans, who he thinks spend all their money on "booze and women" which is why they don't have any left for their heirs. Not because they're dirt poor because wages have stagnated.

And "investing"? You mean sitting on massive piles of money that just pass on from one generation to the next.

These people are transparently evil.

[Mormolyce]

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/36...g-not-spending

Grassley isn't hiding his contempt for regular Americans, who he thinks spend all their money on "booze and women" which is why they don't have any left for their heirs. Not because they're dirt poor because wages have stagnated.

And "investing"? You mean sitting on massive piles of money that just pass on from one generation to the next.

These people are transparently evil.

They're investing in the next generation of the plutocratic class.

Seems like a pretty good investment, look at what they've wrought so far.

[Alindra]

They're investing in the next generation of the plutocratic class.

Seems like a pretty good investment, look at what they've wrought so far.

The scary part? Just imagine how much more damage could be done if Trump / the Trump administration was competent.

The scarier part? If we don't recover from this post-truth era, and fast, how long it will take before someone more competent than Trump runs for the presidency and wins.

[Thekri]

Trump is finding ways to get around his bedtime The article is hilarious, without really intending to be. The upshot is that Kelly is trying to limit the retarded stuff that Trump does on a daily basis, so Trump is trying to get around Kelly. Which apparently isn't working because

The president on occasion has called White House aides to the private residence in the evening, where he makes assignments and asks them not tell Mr. Kelly about the plans, according to several people familiar with the matter. At least once, aides have declined to carry out the requested task so as not to run afoul of Mr. Kelly, one of these people said.

I feel a bit sorry for Kelly, has to be hard to be the Babysitter in Chief.

[Edge-]

It's telling that the aides are more afraid of Kelly than they are of Trump.

Just pointing that out.

Still though, fuck Kelly.

[Felya]

Want to point out that also Hillary never worked a day in her life in private sector aswell. All the money these comunists socialists have come from the budget. ;o Or charity schemes ;ooooooooo

Hillary was the first female board member of Walmart.

As a Director, Clinton Moved Wal-Mart Board, but Only So Far

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us...20walmart.html

Her years on the Wal-Mart board, from 1986 to 1992, gave her an unusual tutorial in the ways of American business — a credential that could serve as an antidote to Republican efforts to portray her as an enemy of free markets and an advocate for big government.

[NYC17]

Trump is finding ways to get around his bedtime The article is hilarious, without really intending to be. The upshot is that Kelly is trying to limit the retarded stuff that Trump does on a daily basis, so Trump is trying to get around Kelly. Which apparently isn't working because I feel a bit sorry for Kelly, has to be hard to be the Babysitter in Chief.

Aftr Kelly's performance regarding the widowed wife of a Green Beret, whatever sympathy I held for him went away. It was pretty pathetic of him.

[Thekri]

Aftr Kelly's performance regarding the widowed wife of a Green Beret, whatever sympathy I held for him went away. It was pretty pathetic of him.

Yeah, same here. But I am still glad he is there, he isn't a great person, but he has a valuable role. When we get rid of the president he can go into retirement and never be seen again. (Or go to prison and never be seen again, depending on what he has done)

[Breccia]

Grassley isn't hiding his contempt for regular Americans, who he thinks spend all their money on "booze and women" which is why they don't have any left for their heirs.

Blatantly false "booze and women" stupidity aside, how, exactly, does taking all of that tax cut for the rich and sitting on it, grow the economy? DOW, sure, but how about the actual GDP? Doesn't sound like a lot of goods and services are gonna be exchanged if all you do is save your money until you die.

[Mormolyce]

The scary part? Just imagine how much more damage could be done if Trump / the Trump administration was competent.

The scarier part? If we don't recover from this post-truth era, and fast, how long it will take before someone more competent than Trump runs for the presidency and wins.

That's also what I'm worried about. Look how far Trump has gotten, and he's a walking talking foot-shooting machine.

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So many triggered people. Hahaha.
Guys, you are laughable as fuck, i can sense you still upset that Donnie is in office. Go peddle that russia shit some more!
I for one gonna go on a streak of youtube videos to watch your colleagues cry like babies as i laugh at them from the bottom of my trollish heart!

This is literally a confession that someone is triggered and is going to run away to their safe space on like-minded Youtube channels with nice comfy alternative facts to rest their weary head on.

[Breccia]

The GOP Has Become A Dangerous Cult

This lengthy article goes into great detail, comparing the current GOP to a suicide pact cult. Specifically, that they're lining up and signing a tax cut for the rich, letting a sexual predator run for Senate without being firmly disavowed --

"But Breccia! They did disavow him!"

Yeah, but McConnell walked that back. So, no, they didn't. I won't quote the whole thing, but this is the most relevant part:

At this moment, why are Republicans trying to slash taxes for the wealthy? Why would someone castrate themselves and commit suicide? Because that’s what the cult demands.

There are no bright economic minds suggesting that this is a good idea. There is no difference of opinion among sane, credible people about whether America needs a massive tax cut for the rich. An effort by Republican leaders to claim support among economists devolved into unabashed lying. One of the “economists” listed as a supporter, Gil Sylvia, has yet to be identified and may not even exist. When one of the president’s minions pitched this idiotic tax plan to a panel of American CEO’s - men who will be getting fat tax cuts - they balked. In public. On camera. Director Cohn’s stunned response after soliciting their backing should be etched on the tombstone of the former Party of Lincoln, “Why aren’t the other hands up?”

Cohn didn’t pause to hear their answer, because that isn’t how a cult works. Like a Soviet Commissar, he wasn’t soliciting feedback but measuring loyalty. He noted the disbelief of the apostates and simply moved on in righteous oblivion. No reasoning accessible on the plane of logical thought supports this plan, just like no one outside the cult would ever let Roy Moore make decisions on their behalf. Tax cuts, along with slashing government services, ending government support for health insurance, burning more coal, and a whole collection of other loony ideas, are now unconsidered articles of faith. Republican Jesus wants a tax cut. The faithful will comply.

[wunksta]

'Giving tax breaks will help investing', when they are making record profits and not investing.

[Breccia]

And here's Lindsey Graham, explaining why a pre-emptive strike on North Korea is more and more likely.

Didn't we use to have diplomats? Last I checked, North Korea could 100% count on Russian aid, and if the US strikes first, China's too.

So glad the GOP's not only willing to take a child rapist into their midst, and call their tax cut for the rich anything other than a tax cut for the rich, they're also planning on starting World War III.

[Kujako]

Didn't we use to have diplomats?

That was in the before time, the long long ago. Now, to have diplomatic posts filled, Trump would have to do his job rather than go golfing. So not gonna happen.

[Breccia]

That was --

I forgot to mention: Graham also basically told everyone to get out of South Korea.

Graham said he is now urging the Pentagon not to send any dependents to South Korea.

"South Korea should be an unaccompanied tour. It's crazy to send spouses and children to South Korea, given the provocation of North Korea. So I want them to stop sending dependents. And I think it's now time to start moving American dependents out of South Korea," he said.

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There has been a lot of talk lately about what Trump will or won't do about the US embassy and/or recognition of Israel.

I'm no expert, but let me sum up what little I know: right now, Jerusalem is a divided city. (Our current embassy is in Tel Aviv, which is not) Basically, West Jerusalem is Israeli, while the Palestinians have claimed East Jerusalem as the capital of their eventual state. Declaring "Jerusalem" to be the capital of Israel 100% refutes the Palestinian claim. Further, moving the embassy to Jerusalem is the USA's admission of the same thing: declaring "Jerusalem" the capital.

That's why there's been a law since 1995 saying that, every six months, the President must sign a special unique waiver for Jerusalem not to be the location of our embassy. Trump already signed it once. in June. Yes, that was six months ago, tick tock.

Trump promised that he would make this move, in a room filled with Israeli-aligned Jews no less.

But here's the problem:

Let's be clear: the Palestinians hate the idea and, not a massive surprise, a lot of Muslim countries do too. A lot of them. Yes, the Saudis too. And while Kushner is quite clearly a fan of Israel, it would seem he's been trying to work out peace talks in the Middle East. All those efforts plus more would be destroyed by summarily denying the Palestinian's claim to their own state, and any peace progress made there would be, at the very least, reversed.

BUT.

Refusing to do so, even so far as to say "How about we say we're moving the embassy to 'West Jerusalem' guys? Huh? Huh?" would be not only breaking a campaign promise -- yeah I know, you couldn't even recharge a AAA battery with that shock -- but also would be a further slap in the face to Israel, who other than the time Trump handed Israeli classified info personally to Russia, has more or less been in Trump's corner.

The NYTimes sums up:

Any move by the United States to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital would fuel extremism and violence, the secretary general of the Arab League, Ahmed Aboul Gheit, said on Saturday, according to Reuters.

If Mr. Trump were to limit his statement to West Jerusalem, however, it would likely antagonize supporters in the pro-Israel camp, by undercutting their claim to a united capital throughout the city and acknowledging Palestinian designs on East Jerusalem.

Any attempt at deliberate ambiguity is unlikely to fly because the United States will be forced to specify the territorial definition of Jerusalem that the president was relying upon, said Daniel Shapiro, who was President Barack Obama’s ambassador to Israel.

Make no mistake, this is beyond "who knew peace in the Middle East could be so complicated?" This is Trump, by his direct words and actions, making things in the Middle East worse -- even though his best man has been working on it for nearly a year. This is worse than firing a few missiles to create Syrian potholes, then ceding the country to Russia. This is worse than directly supporting Erdogan. This is going to blow up, quite possibly literally, and it will be Trump's direct actions that did it.

I thought we had diplomats!