Mega-Thread: Mueller investigation

[FeedsOnDevTears]

Probably going to have to wait until the House subpoenas those included in the report in order to get the whole story. I got a horrible feeling that Barr is going to serve a heavily redacted one to the public and the Republicans are going to try to bury the actual report somewhere.

Only reason that weasel was hired was to protect Trump.

Barr not just a weasel. He's a lifelong Republican shark who got started in the older Bush's CIA and became a superb legal apologist for whatever the right wing wants to do. If Trump still has the backing of the GOP string-pullers, then Barr is the man to make Mueller's report sing his praises. If Trump has somehow lost that (which seems unlikely), then Barr will use it to (metaphorically) rip his guts out and hang him with them.

[Poopymonster]

Was it Spider-Man, Batman, Captain America, or Aunt May?

It was Uncle Ben.

*sunglasses*

Ben Gazi.

[Captain N]

It was Uncle Ben.

*sunglasses*

Ben Gazi.

Are you sure it was just Ben?

I could have sworn I heard them always blaming Aunt May....

*sunglasses*

"But her EeeeeeMaaaayyyyyyyylllllllllssss"

[Ripster42]

I think it was a lie because on Don Jr. email they literally said it was about dirt on the Clintons, the adoption line was formulated to cover that up.

One's the quid, one's the quo. Literally both sides of the deal, one from the e-mail chain, one from the press release/comments.

[Deadite]

So when is this being made public so we can discuss the actual content of it?

Rather than being told by the local trump fan base what they want us to believe, seeing this isn't fox news / state news propaganda platform.

You really think the die hards on each side will actually care what is in it? Minds have been made up long ago.

[Benggaul]

You really think the die hards on each side will actually care what is in it? Minds have been made up long ago.

I absolutely care. If there are items in there that aren't being acted on because they are being swept under the rug I want them exposed. People like Manafort, Stone, Flynn and Cohen should be paying for their crimes even if it's inconvenient for the GOP. If there's nothing further in the report about other people involved then fair enough.

Trump is fucked once he leaves office either way and is only protected because of the asinine DoJ claim that he can't be indicted, so I guess in that sense it doesn't matter what may be in the report regarding him, but if there IS anything it should definitely be made public.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

I think a lot of people forget the intention of the Muellar report. It was to investigate Russian involvement in 2016 election. As the special council the investigation can branch into any criminal doings they find along the way (see Clinton being investigated for profits selling property and ended up at sleeping with an intern). But, mostly Trump, turned it into a big me vs the FBI/Mueller thing and then Democrats got baited by the trolling to make it appear more that way. That really isn't what it was unless Trump was knowingly working with and for the Russians involving the 2016 election which I have my doubts about. The people around him that are already pleading guilty or are facing court dates likely insulated him.

Odds are the report is going to be filled with a lot of things we know about already but with more detail. Like how Russians used Facebook and twitter bots to spread false stories to the masses. How Russians got involved in the NRA to further radicalize it politically. Attempts Russians made to alter voting machines or vote counts though hacking even if they were not successful. Certain Americans (likely already in hot water we know about) that were involved in passing information back and forth between Russians and knowing American citizens that weren't necessarily Trump.

The best thing that can and will come from it is security at the state level while voting is taking place is increased. Social media sites getting slapped further and increasing security from false bot wave stories. Then finally a few of the non-neo level political crazies realizing that not all is far in political spheres and you can in fact go to jail for doing some boarder line traitor shit.

[Breccia]

So when is this being made public so we can discuss the actual content of it?

There are three options.

A) Barr makes the entire thing public. This is the best option if Mueller finds no wrongdoing of any kind, or if no more family members are directly implicated. Quite frankly, it's possible Mueller will say "Trump hired Flynn, Manafort, Stone, Gates, etc. who intentionally worked with the Russians, but had no idea they were all working for the Russians." This, in and of itself, isn't scary just because of what it means -- Trump is an idiot who didn't know he worked with multiple Russian agents -- but because this is the best possible outcome for Team Trump.

B) Barr redacts part of it. This will lead to an immediate battle with the House and Senate, since everyone will assume redacting parts means redacting the guilty parts, whether that's true or not. The ongoing battle will last until the 2020 election is in full swing and will be brought up in every single sentence in the debates. Remaining members of the Republican Party will have to decide if they want to re-elect Nixon mid-Watergate.

C) Barr redacts the entire thing, leading to immediate uproar -- with good reason. Barr withholding the entire thing pretty much proves Mueller has evidence directly implicating Trump. Since Trump will not fire Barr for this, the combination refusal/condoning the refusal will be declared a reason for impeachment.

The best option is A) even if there are a few things saying Trump and his family may have broken some laws. Only by full disclosure of everything does Team Trump have a happy ending.

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I think a lot of people forget the intention of the Muellar report. It was to investigate Russian involvement in 2016 election.

*LOUD ANNOYING BUZZER*

Nope.

Comey was investigating Russia all by himself. Trump fired him for doing that and admitted it. Hence the investigation now including such things as "obstruction of justice while in office".

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Comey was investigating Russia all by himself. Trump fired him for doing that and admitted it. Hence the investigation now including such things as "obstruction of justice while in office".

If we see the report we shall see if that is the case? Or you got your hands on it already?

[Breccia]

If we see the report we shall see if that is the case? Or you got your hands on it already?

You don't need to see the report. We've known that
A) Comey was investigating Russian interference
B) Trump fired Comey
C) Trump admitted firing Comey because of the Russian investigation Comey was doing
D) Congress demanded and highly approved of Mueller to investigate obstruction of justice, in addition to Comey's original probe

since it began. None of this is new, or secret, information. We've had it since Mueller was appointed.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

You don't need to see the report. We've known that
A) Comey was investigating Russian interference
B) Trump fired Comey
C) Trump admitted firing Comey because of the Russian investigation Comey was doing
D) Congress demanded and highly approved of Mueller to investigate obstruction of justice, in addition to Comey's original probe

since it began. None of this is new, or secret, information. We've had it since Mueller was appointed.

But if it isn't in the report it means we can just pretend it is there and say it is there to make you happy?

[Ripster42]

But if it isn't in the report it means we can just pretend it is there and say it is there to make you happy?

Did trump say comey's firing was about "that russia thing" or not? Do you just pretend reality doesn't exist just to make yourself happy?

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Did trump say comey's firing was about "that russia thing" or not? Do you just pretend reality doesn't exist just to make yourself happy?

The question isn't weather he said it or not. But rather if it is actually obstruction of justice or not. I mean if it is as black and white as you claim why did they even investigate and not just prosecute? Why did it take what.. 22 months? Sounds like it isn't as simple as you want it to make it out.

BTW.. voted for Hillary..

[Breccia]

But if it isn't in the report

Whether or not the details of Mueller's appointment and the scope of his investigation are in his report or not is immaterial. You said something about Mueller's appointment that was false. I corrected you. The end.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

DoJ policy is that you don't indict a sitting President. You really haven't been keeping up with how all of this works have you?

That is policy and not law.

[FeedsOnDevTears]

There are three options.

A) Barr makes the entire thing public. This is the best option if Mueller finds no wrongdoing of any kind, or if no more family members are directly implicated. Quite frankly, it's possible Mueller will say "Trump hired Flynn, Manafort, Stone, Gates, etc. who intentionally worked with the Russians, but had no idea they were all working for the Russians." This, in and of itself, isn't scary just because of what it means -- Trump is an idiot who didn't know he worked with multiple Russian agents -- but because this is the best possible outcome for Team Trump.

One advantage Trump will have with this narrative is that his conduct over the last few years makes it entirely believable that he would 1) hire treacherous criminals, and 2) be too stupid to realize what they were doing, and too incurious to bother to look. It's certainly possibly that he's guilty and just used good cutouts, but whatever the reality is, he's done a great job of setting expectations for being a clueless moron.

[Dontrike]

It's their SOP. They don't indict a President for anything. The let someone like the SC do an investigation and then report their findings to Congress, who can then move to impeach him. After he's been removed from office he's fair game. It's the same reason we didn't see him indicted in the SDNY for the Cohen stuff.

Or every other thing he is guilty of while president. I could be wrong, but can't he be brought to court for things he did before being president while he is president?

[Felya]

One advantage Trump will have with this narrative is that his conduct over the last few years makes it entirely believable that he would 1) hire treacherous criminals, and 2) be too stupid to realize what they were doing, and too incurious to bother to look. It's certainly possibly that he's guilty and just used good cutouts, but whatever the reality is, he's done a great job of setting expectations for being a clueless moron.

Yeah, but you juxtaposition that with Trump constantly saying he is the best at everything. The shit storm from Trump being made to look like a patsy, might actually get a worse reaction than asserting willful criminality. You can’t blame the deepstate for conspiring against you, when the investigation points at your staff conspiring with foreign governments. If I was a troll for Trump, my rhetoric would be shifting from him being innocent, to Trump being a useful idiot.

Edit: Basically, the next logical step for altright, is to denounce Trump as an idiot that was needed to advance their cause. But, logic hasn’t been an important tenant of altright. So... we get celebrating Trump is innocent, because DOJ is reviewing the FBI report. We don’t even know what FBI recommends, not to mention what DOJ will do regardless of the recommendation.

Just to point this out, because it likely will be relevant in a few days... or weeks... or... when ever the report is released in full. Just 10 pages ago, there were conspiracy theories of Clinton meeting head of DOJ on the tarmac. While, Trump appointed and meets regularly with the current head of DOJ. As well as a conspiracy where in an alternative reality, FBI recommendation to persecute Hillary, would have been ignored by DOJ. I believe those two conspiracy theories Trump’s fans have been pushing, will be very important for reference. But, because of everything being a conspiracy, you have to remember the witch hunt and deepstate conspiracy, if Trump is cleared. Regardless of the report, at least one of these conspiracy theories should no longer be permitted on this forum as a legitimate argument.

[Adam Jensen]

According to Skroe's lord and savior Mueller there was no collusion.

Please cite the part on the report that states there was no collusion.

Oh wait, it isn't released yet and you're not authorized to speak for the FBI?

[Felya]

He technically can be, as there’s no law prohibiting it, but DoJ policy is you don’t charge a sitting president because fighting charges would interfere in their ability to do their job.

And the Cohen stuff was mostly related to when he was candidate, or citizen, Trump, not President.

FBI and the report it self, can only recommend pursuit of charges. There is even a conspiracy theory just a few pages back, where an alternative reality where FBI recommendation to persecute Hillary, is ignored by the DOJ. As in, they know based on their own 3 years of buttering emails, that FBI recommendation doesn’t have any authority. This is creating an impression to get ahead of the story. Imagine if the report isn’t released for a month, but that whole month Trump’s fan base celebrates victory and Trump’s innocence. That’s going to be a hell of a bumper to reduce the impact of the report naming individual 1... How many people, after a month of pushing Trump celebrations, will be willing to admit they are wrong? Those are the people being targeted by current ‘this proves he is innocent’ rhetoric... those unwittingly spreading their message, but with ego to not admit being wrong when the report is released in full.