its almost like its early alpha and they work on em one by one
its almost like its early alpha and they work on em one by one
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the problem is all of those are the same, the only ones unique are from kultirans, bulky and skinny options
they could unite all the kingdoms (except dalaran for obvious reasons) but they would not get a different model to each kingdom, it would be too much effort and would not make much sense, with orcs is just skin color, done since WoD, o its way more easy.
Mage Tower Final Result:
Dk:3/3 Mage:3/3 Mage:3/3 Mage:1/3 Dh:2/2 Warlock:3/3 Hunter: 3/3 Priest:3/3 Paladin:3/3 Warrior: 3/3 Rogue:3/3 Shaman:3/3 Monk:3/3 Druid: 4/4
It's probably not that easy to make an Alliance Allied race and avoid the complaint that will come right after.
The most obvious choices would be:
Wildhammer Dwarves
Broken Draenei
Vrykul (maybe)
All three of these have some glaring problems which are not easily resolved.
Wildhammers and Broken are an easy and obvious pick and would be the most thematically correct choices; the problem with these comes from being released right after Lightforged and Dark Iron and while the most longtime hardcore fans would love for them to be playable the majority of the players would scream that they are "lazy", "recycled" and so on and Blizzard probably wants to avoid that right now not to kill the expansion hype (and sales).
They are probably being saved for later.
Vrykul have a problem with Kul Tiran since one is a big human and the other is an even bigger human. Vrykul also have the issue of being way too big and Blizzard may feel that they wouldn't look right after being shrunk down; Kul Tiran are probably going to be the compromise, acting as a half-vrykul of some sort.
Ogres and Mok'nathal may end up in a very similar situation should Blizzard ever decide to add them, with Mok'nathal acting as a compromise since a shrunk down Ogre model may not feel right (sadly).
While the Horde is getting Mag'har and Vulpera (very likely) next I feel that Blizzard may be scrambling to find the right Allied Race for the Alliance which may be on par with the Zandalari (coolness level speaking) without causing even more whining.
Kul tiran are probably coming but they are not enough, That leaves us with other exotic but possible choices:
Furbolgs
Arakkoa
Jinyu
Sethrak
Furbolgs already have lots of lore behind them, they have a small but vocal fanbase and would make an obvious choice.
The problem with them is that their model would need to be redone and in the end they wouldn't really be that mindblowing of an addition.
They could also replace them with Jalgar (the prime Furbolg from Chronicles), make up some new lore and most of all recycle more "feral" animations from Worgen to make them look better.
Arakkoa have been requested for years and would make a nice candidate for a WoD based Alliance race (since, at this moment it feels like the Alliance had no business there) to oppose the Mag'har.
The problem with them is that that females look exactly the same as the males which wont work with the way WoW races are structured so they would have to make up some differences (plumage, beaks etc) which may not be worth in the end.
Jinyu could be done since they are modeled on the Night Elven skeleton and they would be a nice themetic addition being a shamanistic yet peaceful race.
The issue with them is that they are not very popular AND they also have no distinction between the male and female model, not to mention the nightmarish clipping issues with fins and the like.
That leaves us with the Sethrak.
I feel like the Sethrak, unlike Vulpera, were never intended to be more than a a npc race.
However they are being requested alot in these days on various sources and I feel like Blizzard may be seriously looking at them in order to find a way to make them work (even if they too have some glaring issues like the aforementioned races) in order to give the Alliance a very "we worked hard on these" choice.
I would keep an eye on them.
Last edited by Oswen; 2018-03-10 at 04:59 PM.
I think so as well:
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...-Ogres-in-mind
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Don't worry everyone, the Drust only have [PH] models so far. The Drust are coming.
It'll be Tirasian humans; if anything, the Jinyu will be paired with the Hozen, and the Broken will be paired with a race from Outland and/or Draenor.
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The Nightborne and the Blood Elves should have been neutral from the start.
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And you're lying to flame the thread.
Blizzard never really officially announced the Draenor Orcs. Ion just kinda accidentally revealed it during a live stream.
That said, It's kinda obvious that it's Draenor Orcs and Kul Tiran Humans mainly because the Kul Tirans have so much customization but also because their counterpart is the Zandalari Trolls. It wouldn't seem right if Blizz decided that The Horde gets the main race the Horde works with in the expansion but the Alliance doesn't get the main race they work with in the expansion.
Allied races will likely be released in groups of 4. First batch was Highmountain Tauren, Nightborne, Lightforged Draenei and Void Elves. Second batch will be Draenor Orcs, Dark Iron Dwarves, Zandalari Trolls and Kul Tiran Humans. The Draenor Orcs is also the counterpart to the Dark Iron Dwarves.
The problem with Tirasian models is that they should have always been a normal, customization option for the humans (along with the bulk of the Allied Races).
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They were never dissatisfied with the Pandaren (you're source for this nonsensical quote comes from Ghostcrawler - who's no longer at Blizzard, and that was merely his own opinion).
Last edited by In Ogres We Trust; 2018-03-10 at 06:44 PM.
Is there a citation to this, cause I would actually like to see it.
And I don't think them not using Pandaren has a correlation to them not using them in lore more often. It's mostly because all the good characters aren't plenty that can equally play a role on both sides.
They were pleased by the Pandaren, I am sure of that.
What they weren't pleased by was the concept of a neutral race, which is what Ghostcrawler was getting at rather than criticizing the Pandaren.
Now, you can say he was just one man but when he gave the comment he was a part of Blizzard.
More importantly, there has not been a neutral race added since.
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Here is the link to the tweet which occurred while he was still at Blizzard
https://twitter.com/OccupyGStreet/st...65802590384129
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Here is the link to the MMO champion thread discussing said tweet
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...-neutral-races
In hindsight, neutrality has had a negative impact on the Pandaren. To be neutral, they had to be divorced from being fully Alliance or Horde. And to give them some sort of role, they were more fully bound up with the story of their own land than any race before them or since. It really bound them to the Mists of Pandaria expansion.
The Pandaren themselves though are a great race that enriches world of warcraft and I am glad they are thing.
Last edited by Obelisk Kai; 2018-03-10 at 06:19 PM.
They were actually lore long before an April Fool's day joke. To the point, they were going to be an Alliance race in TBC but got pulled - where Eredar, Draenei and such was created to further the story of it all. The RTS fleshed out the most long-standing lore including at least some Pandaren like Chen Stormstout which exists before Pandaria, so making an expansion from it is not a lot different to really Northrend, Broken Isles, Kezan, Zandalar and Kul'Tiras as they all went through roughly the same progression.
The only difference is that the Pandaren lore wasn't well known because not everyone who plays the MMO played the RTS. And wasn't as much of part of the campaigns as other races. It was also hindered with people seeing Kung Fu Panda claiming Blizzard stole when they are very ignorant to Pandaren being around 5-6 years earlier than the original film franchise easily.
The funny fact is, there was a quest in Ratchet given by a Brewmaster Orc named "Chen's Lost Keg", so it was thought of long before making a faction which predates Kung Fu Panda by a year along too haha. Going neutral was what was a problem though and something they learned.
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Idea of fat and thin humans is not new in Warcraft. During alpha of Vanilla there were fat/thin models that were cancelled. Some of it made it into WotLK.
I don't think Kul Tirasian will end up playable race. They lack of customization options (IIRC hair colour have only 4 options), thin model don't have female version and female fat model is just enlarged default human model. I believe Blizzard add them to create diversity for human NPC since Kul Tiras is major focus in BFA for Alliance.
What is [PH] stands for?
I implore people to think about what could possibly be the next allied race on alliance if it's not Kul Tirans. Do you really think it's High Elves?
You do know that current Allied Races have limited options right? The Lightforged for example has 5 hair colours and like 5 hairstyles? And the others are very similar as well. A limited amount would be 1-2 hairstyles or basically the same model recycled several times with different items on them.
Having those additional things can go both ways admittedly I will agree but it's far more progressed than numerous NPC races like Gorloc, Murloc, Etheraels, Jinyu, Hozen, Dragonkin (and it's literally recolours here, sod all input on variety), Furbolgs, Ettin, Mogu, Tuskarr, Saurok, Quillboar, Harpies, Arrokoa (literally again recolours and different items)... So on and so on. And some of those aforementioned NPC races could easily join Alliance or Horde for whatever imaginable idea.
Kul Tirans don't have customization not because they aren't playable, but because 3/4s of the art team is working on Horde content. Alliance doesn't even have updated royal guards yet and Boralus is mostly empty. I have no idea why this point keeps getting ignored.