Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker

[Eazy]

There were individual things I liked with the movie, but overall it's just a mess.

To be fair, with the leaked old script of Leia having a massive role, this movie(knowing J.J) would never have satisfied me anyway.


+ Young Leia + Luke training.
+ Leia as a master fits her perfectly.
+ Rey losing to Kylo.
+ Emperor going apeshit with the lightning instead of sitting around losing. Ian is great as this character.

- Rey "Palpatine" is such a stretch it's borderline unbelievable. They really wanted this at any cost. And yes, Rey "Skywalker" is even worse.
- Force Heal is such bullshit here. Introduces so many potholes in previous films.
- Force Skype going at it again. Wish they'd have forgotten about this entirely, instead they even fight with it.
- Rey being resurrected. She should've just stayed dead.
- No explanation of how Palpatine resurrected.
- Rey reflecting Lightning Mace Windu Vaapad-style should simply not have been a thing. She is way too novice for this.

I agree with everything. Though I wanted other thing:

Ben Solo becoming a new Jedi Master that could rise new jedi, but yeah... We've got a stupid Rey Skywalker, lol.

[Fayolynn]

to present a character with an unexplained gift that they were just born with is just a cop out so you don't gotta write anything detailed or believable.

This is just flat out wrong because the story isnt about HOW they got that power. The story is what they chose to do with that power.

What you're saying is like being able to topple the empire because you're tall. Born attributes make up the functionality, looks, and small details of a character. Not what they're destined to do.

My point was being tall doesnt mean you will be great at basketball. Being fast doesnt mean you will be an Olympic running. Having the force doesnt mean you will be a good kind hearted person who wants to protect innocent people and topple an evil empire. Having a gift in and of itself is meaningless. Its actions that matter.

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Um You are aware that makes all of Starwars lazy and boring writing then right? The whole series is based off people being born gifted and that deciding there destiny.

It’s done better in some places then others but that’s the core of Starwars.

That's the core of the vast majority of human writing/story telling. Superman - lazy writing. The matrix - lazy writing. Sherlock Holmes - lazy writing. Hercules - lazy writing. This is the most rediculous stance I have read in a long time.

[Kontinuum]

wtf was that
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLea...in_the_desert/

[Arrowstormen]

I believe depth is in the eye of the beholder. A (good) story-teller will have put thought into incorporating their themes into their stories, but whether a member of the audience catches those themes and engages with them, and how deep they engage with them, is dependent on a certain chemistry between the story and that particular audience member. Like how some people love discussing and theorizing about Mulholland Dr. while I completely bounced of it and did not find it interesting, and some think TLJ is an affront to the franchise while I think it's the most clever Star Wars put to film.

[Fayolynn]

Perhaps its more like how an untrained pilot was able to take out a Moon sized star base with his single shot and his missile that take a 90 degree turn at the last possible second. LOL

The weird arc the Proton Torpedo took on screen is related to bad VFX and nothing more. Go watch the briefing scene from ANH. Not a single person is concerned with the torpedo being able to make the arc necessary for the shot to be a success. They are just worried about how difficult the shot is in general, their biggest concern being the size of the target. A more accruate summary would be. Rookie pilot manages to make difficult shot using precise timing.

[eschatological]

I suspect the shill reviewers didn't get their monies so were free to be critical, normally they'd trip over themselves with praise like with TLJ..
I wonder what the audience score will be.

I suspect monies will go into Disney+ for years n movies have been put on hold indefinitely. No point defending a dead horse.

I suspect that TLJ was actually just a good movie as far as movies go (though way out of sync with what 'Star Wars' has been), and this one might not be.

Cause, yanno, that's the simple answer, that film critics who watch thousands of films like interesting, disruptive films more than cookie cutter, formulaic films.

[Altrec]

Haven't seen Magnus one yet, here it is

For those who don't know who randy watson is he refers to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzANAr1V82c

Can't find a torrent... I wonder if I should buy a ticket for another movie n then go into the star wars one instead (have to check before-hand what seats are left when movie starts so I'm not told to move..in this way, I could see movie, pay ticket price but it wont go to kathleen kennedy, don't take anyones bought seat, no harm done, eh?

What I'm looking most forward to is The Amazing Lucas rant, his on TLJ was legendary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9C7Grxk4bU

Magnus is generally pretty chill even with stuff he doesn't like and wow did he hate this movie.

[Beazy]

wtf was that
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLea...in_the_desert/

wow. . . . she can some how use force lightning without BBQing herself, yet when the Sith Lord Palpatine, master of the dark side uses it, he turns into Smoked Brisket. . . all three times hes used it for the past 40 fkn years. . . . I guess Rey is a 120 ele shammy or something.

[Kyphael]

I believe depth is in the eye of the beholder. A (good) story-teller will have put thought into incorporating their themes into their stories, but whether a member of the audience catches those themes and engages with them, and how deep they engage with them, is dependent on a certain chemistry between the story and that particular audience member. Like how some people love discussing and theorizing about Mulholland Dr. while I completely bounced of it and did not find it interesting, and some think TLJ is an affront to the franchise while I think it's the most clever Star Wars put to film.

Opinions will always be subjective, but when a majority of professionals and the audience are criticizing the material at large, there is something fundamentally flawed with the story craft and quality, be it pacing, plotting, dialogue, etc. It doesn't mean you can't like it and that in your eyes it's bad. I love plenty of movies critics and audiences at large hated, namely X-Men: Apocalypse but I recognize I'm in the minority and what I loved about it outweighs in my eyes its many flaws, which to me are far and few in between, but for most people, it didn't work as well as its predecessor, or even the best in its series.

[Gorsameth]

wtf was that
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLea...in_the_desert/

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

We've gone full Starkiller, gees they actually went there.

[Nefarious Tea]

And TLJ had the most interesting points about those themes out of them all, but YMMW.

Thematically TLJ could have been interesting but the scriptwriting was garbage and so the themes weren’t delivered. It wasn’t just a bad Star Wars film but a bad film in general

[Kyphael]

wow. . . . she can some how use force lightning without BBQing herself, yet when the Sith Lord Palpatine, master of the dark side uses it, he turns into Smoked Brisket. . . all three times hes used it for the past 40 fkn years. . . . I guess Rey is a 120 ele shammy or something.

This time he turned into soup. But I get your point, the writing is ridiculous.

[Gorsameth]

wow. . . . she can some how use force lightning without BBQing herself, yet when the Sith Lord Palpatine, master of the dark side uses it, he turns into Smoked Brisket. . . all three times hes used it for the past 40 fkn years. . . . I guess Rey is a 120 ele shammy or something.

to be fair it was Windu's lightsaber reflecting the lightning that turned Palpatine into a smoked ham. Dooku also uses force lightning without any trouble

[Nefarious Tea]

Do people actually believe critics in any large way are paid or not paid to be critical? Because that seems more loony than believing the Earth is flat to me.

If it’s anything like video game reviews often are, there’s a strong suggestion from the magazine/website editors to talk favourably or the reviewer/magazine won’t be allowed to review next time by the publisher, which means less ad and viewer/reader revenue.

Disney or EA or whatever isn’t actively paying any critic, but they have a habit of subtly suggesting that an unfavourable review this time means you won’t get to review at all next time.

[Arrowstormen]

Thematically TLJ could have been interesting but the scriptwriting was garbage and so the themes weren’t delivered. It wasn’t just a bad Star Wars film but a bad film in general

You keep saying that, but I disagree, and so apparently did a lot of other people, including people that write about movies and the art of film-making for a living. I thought the script was pretty ace, for the most part. The Rise of Skywalker though...

[Donald Hellscream]

That was a fairly decent movie.

[slime]

to be fair it was Windu's lightsaber reflecting the lightning that turned Palpatine into a smoked ham. Dooku also uses force lightning without any trouble

Yes. and Palpatine used lighting in the original 3 while giggling so I doubt it was frying him in anyway.

[Kyphael]

to be fair it was Windu's lightsaber reflecting the lightning that turned Palpatine into a smoked ham. Dooku also uses force lightning without any trouble

Palpatine has been written as the stupidest genius Sith Lord ever. Orchestrates the fall of The Republic, but doesn't know best range and angle to shoot force lightning without causing harm to himself. Dooku used it elegantly and to satisfactory results, neutralizing Anakin and trying to hurt Yoda. Palpatine...? Should have stuck to his light saber game.

[Arrowstormen]

If it’s anything like video game reviews often are, there’s a strong suggestion from the magazine/website editors to talk favourably or the reviewer/magazine won’t be allowed to review next time by the publisher, which means less ad and viewer/reader revenue.

Disney or EA or whatever isn’t actively paying any critic, but they have a habit of subtly suggesting that an unfavourable review this time means you won’t get to review at all next time.

Do you have some links to occurrences of that habit? However, I doubt it really happens, because there is nothing that stops somebody from reviewing a film, at worst their review will be a few days delayed from the embargo. If a studio is afraid of their movie doing poorly critically, the go-to strategy is just making the review embargo lift as late as possible, and at this point even that is a bad strategy because people have started to recognize the pattern of "no reviews yet + movie releasing imminently = bad sign".

[BeepBoo]

Man, if TLJ is a "slap in the face of the franchise" for some, they deserve The Rise of Skywalker.

If a director decides to demolish all of the previous plot points of the first movie in a trilogy and shoehorn it into some political propaganda piece about "anyone can be special, rich people are da devil, leaders don't need to convince their subordinates of competency" that was also crammed into one of the most narrow frames of time I think we've seen in a SW movie... yeah... it's a slap in the face.

TFA was alright. It was obviously another death star rehash with new people, but it at least set up tons of plot points I was looking forward to.

Who are Rey's parents?
Who is snoke?
Is Finn a jedi?
I want to see more Poe being a badass?
HOLY FOOK IT'S LUKE! GIMME MORE TRADITIONAL JEDI STUFF FINALLY MAYBE?

Nope.

TLJ spat on all of it, and intentionally. Director wanted to shatter it and force his own "this is what *I* think the new starwars should be about!" Utter. Horse. Shit.