If Jaina didnt appear in her magic ship

[Enclave]

All the Alliance leaders would be dead by the trap Sylvanas set up
Jaina saved the Alliance from losing the war right there, why does no one talk about it?

[Azarak]

Yea they made it look like if she didn't show up the Alliance and all the main leaders would be dead. Pretty lucky they have their Mary Sue character.

[Thimagryn]

All the Alliance leaders would be dead by the trap Sylvanas set up
Jaina saved the Alliance from losing the war right there, why does no one talk about it?

Because the story is purposely set up so that Jaina can appear in a magic ship when they most need it.

[plz delete account]

To be honest, I don't think anyone really thought about the implications.

[kamuimac]

because then they would have to admit that Sylvanas is brilliant warchief that almost won whole war in instant if it wasnt for jaina clearly infested by old gods power doin ridiculous magic

[Necroxis]

Pretty lucky they have their Mary Sue character.

Bahaha.

Priceless.

[RobertMugabe]

because then they would have to admit that Sylvanas is brilliant warchief that almost won whole war in instant if it wasnt for jaina clearly infested by old gods power doin ridiculous magic

Old Gods don't mess with arcane magic tho

[plz delete account]

Yea they made it look like if she didn't show up the Alliance and all the main leaders would be dead. Pretty lucky they have their Mary Sue character.

How is Jaina a Mary Sue?
She's not a new character that is suddenly very powerful, which is the definition of a Mary Sue/Gary Stu type character

[Deleted]

She would have been replaced by Turalyon and the Vindicaar. Jaina wasn't necessary to the plot, really, there were alternatives to her.

[Lochton]

All the Alliance leaders would be dead by the trap Sylvanas set up
Jaina saved the Alliance from losing the war right there, why does no one talk about it?

Oh, it was a great scene. About time to see greatness displayed by magic. I mean, a council can make a damn city float, so why can't a single mage overcharge an ancient warship? I loved it, and was a good play. She did indeed help the Alliance out but then again, she officially became Alliance the day Theramore fell.

[RobertMugabe]

She would have been replaced by Turalyon and the Vindicaar. Jaina wasn't necessary to the plot, really, there were alternatives to her.

Srsly the Vindicaar could just wipe out any city at any time right?
I don't get it why Blizzard has given the Alliance such a powerful weapon, but then it's probably never gonna get used again in the lore. Should've just made the Vindicaar "neutral" then or let it camp on another planet.

[Big Mama]

How is Jaina a Mary Sue?
She's not a new character that is suddenly very powerful, which is the definition of a Mary Sue/Gary Stu type character

The 'new character' part isn't a must to become a Mary Sue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue

[Plehnard]

because then they would have to admit that Sylvanas is brilliant warchief that almost won whole war in instant if it wasnt for jaina clearly infested by old gods power doin ridiculous magic

And if it wasn't for Saurfang ridiculous appearing out of nowhere in the middle of Darkshore just in the right moment to save her Sylvannas would be dead now.

[Ottius]

And if it wasn't for Saurfang ridiculous appearing out of nowhere in the middle of Darkshore just in the right moment to save her Sylvannas would be dead now.

That and if Sylvanas didn't show up with her "magical" trebuchets (because real in-lore & in-game trebuchets can't fire such distances), then Teldrassil wouldn't burn and she would've lost the war. You can put many more "ifs" to this list.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

I think her power is justified. I mean how much training do we know shes had? How long have we watched her grow stronger? I mean Ray from SW you can argue went from desert rat to Sith slayer in an afternoon. I think Jaina has had a pretty strong story of progression, trails, and powers on equal to a lot of other beings in the universe. Am I seeing this wrong?

[Niroshi]

Because it doesn't really matter, sort of like how it doesn't matter (except to show how dumb she is) that Sylvanas was dead without Saurfang against Malf. None of the characters were ever in danger.

[Life-Binder]

Gamon would make a better commander than alliance leadership

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Sylvanas was dead without Saurfang against Malf.

the CE story says you are wrong


the did just fine alone

[Jrs418]

She would have been replaced by Turalyon and the Vindicaar. Jaina wasn't necessary to the plot, really, there were alternatives to her.

nop there isnt, kul'tiran is her people, how can turalyon get there help ?

[plz delete account]

The 'new character' part isn't a must to become a Mary Sue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue

In denotation, you are correct.
But the canotation, (Which apparently is a word so often unused Chrome doesn't fucking recognize it) which is what I was using is:
A new character often gaining an absurd amount of power in a really short period. The character is often broken and OP at the same time.

By the canotation I used, which is often the case with a Mary Sue, Jaina cannot be a Mary Sue. She's been around for AGES and hasn't acquired much power creep even if her abilities have increased.

[Darknessvamp]

How is Jaina a Mary Sue?
She's not a new character that is suddenly very powerful, which is the definition of a Mary Sue/Gary Stu type character

Jaina has always been a sorta Mary Sue-ish character back since Warcraft 3. Sure she wasn't the ultra powerful mage but she was the character that was always right in the human campaign and tried to save Arthas a bunch, got the orcs and night elves to work together with her to save the World Tree and never really faced any set backs. Then in WoW she's just been getting stronger and stronger with no real repercussions to herself. Heck Theramore and threatening racial cleansing on Dalaran didn't even impact her negatively. She got motivated to kill Garrosh because of the former and was individually powered up by raiding the Thunder King and the latter got her slap on the wrist at most. Not to mention how she was on the Broken Shore and then just noped out of existence in Legion right before the Tomb of Sargeras fight screwing over both the Horde and Alliance. Tbh Anduin should be equally pissed and relieved at her appearance.