Bernie Sanders back again

[tankbug]

Democrats sure had a huge problem when John McCain (age72) ran, saying he was too old, so I can only imagine what they will think of Bernie sanders as he will be 79 if he took office.

Sure, no point in being hypocrites, however:
1. McCain seemed older, he was like an "old fart" back in 2008. Didn't get any worse, though.
2. If he died, Sarah Palin would have become president, and she's just as stupid and corrupt as Trump. At that time, the thought of a president that would would be even dumber than Bush Jr, was just unreal.

[breadisfunny]

As a life long democrat from a family of democrats, I won't vote for him. I'll switch sides.

this gave me a good hearty laugh.

[Orlong]

I wholeheartedly agree with you that we need to stop internal bickering and failing to stand up for our beliefs & apologizing for having the beliefs we have. The problem with Joe Biden though, I don't know if he'd be able to sway the independent, moderate, or Republican vote to him in states that actually decide the election. This is simply because of the "uncle Joe" stigma he has. The only bad stigma surrounding Bernie Sanders is that he wants to give people healthcare and let people marry whoever the hell they want to.

Biden would never win. All we have to do is make campaign ads showing some of his worst racist comments such as :



or

[Fugus]

Biden would never win. All we have to do is make campaign ads showing some of his worst racist comments such as :

Now this I can agree with. Not including whatever they show in those videos. All they have to do is show his CSPAN video where he talks about cutting Social Security and Medicare and that is it for him when Social Security is massively popular and we don't need to cut it to fix its problems and the majority of the nation is looking to expand medicare, not cut it.

[Fugus]

You sig needs an update. Negan changed name to Ned Stark. Also surprised zenkai isn't in there.

Thanks, have been busy recently, so didn't notice.

[zenkai]

Sure, no point in being hypocrites, however:
1. McCain seemed older, he was like an "old fart" back in 2008. Didn't get any worse, though.
2. If he died, Sarah Palin would have become president, and she's just as stupid and corrupt as Trump. At that time, the thought of a president that would would be even dumber than Bush Jr, was just unreal.

They had a problem with his age before Palin, nice try though kid.

[Orbitus]

These youngsters who want these socialists have no idea what socialism is, and hopefully they don't have to find out.

It isn't them that doesn't understand socialism. You are probably taking Venezuela as an example of socialism failing, when it wasn't them.

[Skroe]

Bernie Sanders will not be the nominee.

[Xeones]

As a die hard supporter of Bernie in 16... I'm not feeling him right now. I don't have anyone I'm actively supporting right now actually.

I'm still feeling confident the most likely nominee is going to be Kamala Harris.

[PACOX]

Bernie Sanders will not be the nominee.

That's the problem. People say what? 12% of his supporters didn't make the transition to Clinton. 12% isn't anything to scoff about. People spend a lot money trying to win over or suppress 12% of the population.

Its a distraction that wasn't needed.

[Skroe]

As a die hard supporter of Bernie in 16... I'm not feeling him right now. I don't have anyone I'm actively supporting right now actually.

I'm still feeling confident the most likely nominee is going to be Kamala Harris.

Bernie Sanders was distinctive in the field compared to Clinton's "1990s 2.0" New Democrat model in 2016. He was the progressive alternative. Folks kind of forget (or maybe weren't old enough or politically in the know enough to remember) that in 2008, Obama beat Hillary as a quasi-progressive alternative to New Democrat model that still dominated the party. In the General election, Obama hard pivoted to the center and ran, basically, as a New Democrat, which lead to the all those stories of Obama true believers feeling betrayed in 2009/2010.

Hillary Clinton fell to Obama in 2008 because Obama's 2008 campaign is of historic importance for those who haven't read about it. It was revolutionary. It was the model of most major campaigns in the Western world since, and pioneered extremely modern methods of fund raises, messaging, voter turn out, and voter-candidate contact. There was nothing else like it. Hillary Clinton's 1990s model campaign barely stood a chance against it, even with her star power. And McCain's 1990s model campaign never had a chance in the world. Obama's 2012 campaign built on that.

Fast forward to 2016, and Hillary Clinton did the smart and obvious thing and hired away most of the Obama 2012 people, and she ran a campaign that was much more in line with the post-Obama architecture of one. And she was able to beat the progressive alternative in Sanders. Sanders, let's be clear, never had a chance to beat her, and it wasn't because of superdelegates. His supporters greatly overplayed the significance of caucuses in and minor primary victories, when in fact, after Super Tuesday, it was over. They did it because they wanted to believe. As I said in 2016, the math doesn't care what they wanted to believe. The Math judgement's said Sanders lost states he couldn't afford to lose, and he lost them badly.

And that was against a New Democrat.

Now the New Democrats are effectively no more, and 2019 Democrats are a mixture of center-left, progressivism, and oddly, historically center-right institutionalism brought on by Donald Trump.

Bernie Sanders is yesterday's model compared to the superior alternatives in this time. The only question is if he goes quietly, or if, when he loses again, he'll half heartedly support the Democrtic Nominee again.

I have a generally extremely low opinion of Bernie Sanders. I think he's a charlatan who talks a good game, but that's it. I think the fact that his ex-campaign staff quit on him week one of the founding of his PAC because he put a crony in charge says everything you need to know about Sanders. I think he'll lose the primary and AFK the General election, because like kindred spirit Jeremy Corbyn in the UK, he hopes the blight upon the country (Brexit there, Trump here) metastizies to the point their left-wing ideas gain enough currency among the general populace to move the country to the left of the center-left, rather than the center left, as most other Democrats envision.

Unlike in 2016 though, I'm not going to spend a lot of time this cycle shooting down Bernie Sanders. I don't think he has enough importance this time, and the alternatives, especially Kamala Harris, are more likely to win the primary and beat Trump.

[JohnBrown1917]

Bernie Sanders will not be the nominee.

Trump will not be the president.

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As a die hard supporter of Bernie in 16... I'm not feeling him right now. I don't have anyone I'm actively supporting right now actually.

I'm still feeling confident the most likely nominee is going to be Kamala Harris.

Well, the dems always pick one of the worst they have in the field, would not be a surprise lol

[cubby]

Trump will not be the president.

Technically, from the looks of things, he lost the election through illegal outside influence. But we'll wait for the final report to come out.

Well, the dems always pick one of the worst they have in the field, would not be a surprise lol

Usually you post with some kind of knowledge, but this seems to be an exception. Keep in mind the democratic nominee has won the popular vote in every presidential general election since 1988, save one. So I wouldn't try dying on that particular hill.

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I'm happy I wasn't reading this section in 2016. I'm pretty sure you managed to enrage a lot of people and fully commit them to Bernie, so I guess that's a good thing.

No one was reading this section in 2016. You really need to think about starting to post after you learn things, not before.

As for Bernie - he's a terrible choice, for a number of reasons. Those same reasons make him a fantastic supporter of whomever does get the nomination.

[cubby]

What? You think I'm a forum historian or what? What are you trying to imply, say it openly, cause your first sentence doesn't make any sense.

I hope you realize that your two sentences above contradict themselves. Give us a shout when you're caught up with your own statements, we'll still be here. If case you're confused, this section was started in 2017. Took me 5 seconds to find that out. Like I said, if you started posting after you learn things, instead of before, you won't appear to be so confused.

As for the 2nd one, if you sabotage Bernie AGAIN, a lot of his supporters will vote out of fucking spite. I suggest you don't try the same crap as in 2016, cause this time, people are ready, and it won't end up pretty.

Blah blah blah Bernie got screwed over blah blah. That tired old song is done. We're in 2019 and fighting for the moral soul of this country. Your line of deflecting bullshit isn't needed here.

[Skroe]

And you expect us to just embrace this opinion of yours, because reasons? What you said makes me want to see Bernie nominated even more.

The rest of the things I want to say would result in me being banned, so eff that.

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kamala lmao.

I'm happy I wasn't reading this section in 2016. I'm pretty sure you managed to enrage a lot of people and fully commit them to Bernie, so I guess that's a good thing.

I made most of my Bernie posts before your account was created. And this subforum wasn't made until after politics thread took over the OT section, well after the Primary. Apparently reading about people's deep seated insecurities is worthwhile or something.

Which just confirms something I've thought for some time:

Who is your original account? You're not a new face. You're an old face with a new-ish account who is hiding because if we knew the name, it would change the conversation.

[cubby]

So, Skroe must've posted his anti-Bernie rants in another part of the forums. Good? What do you want me to do, fall on my knees and ask forgiveness because i didn't know when this subforum was created? You can wait for that.

No, just that you made a mistake and that you can admit it. Frankly, that was a lot more than we expected.

The class war is the only war left to fight. It's as easy as that. If you're not fighting it, you're not on the left. You protect the rich and corporations, you're NOT LEFT. You come with big piles of nothingness and "we can have a discussion", you're not left.

That's an interesting position to take. And imo worthy of a separate thread (seriously). However, the short answer is that you can't fight a cultural war of any kind without being or getting into a position of power. And the really big ones require large quantities of money. That includes corporate donations, unfortunately. So your position, at least on it's face, is heroic but short sighted. Practical solutions are needed in the coming class war, and delegating people to "left" and "right" based solely on campaign contributions from corporations is helping at all.

As things are now, there are 3 choices:

- Bernie
- Tulsi
- Warren

Rest of the dems are pure trash.

I see you're back to taking the learning about things after you post. Those are perhaps the three worst choices for the Dems in 2020. I guess Trump told you to post those?

[Skroe]

So, Skroe must've posted his anti-Bernie rants in another part of the forums. Good? What do you want me to do, fall on my knees and ask forgiveness because i didn't know when this subforum was created? You can wait for that.

Anyway, there's really nothing to discuss. Corporate dems are among the most disgusting, vile, traitorous beings in the world. They DECEIVE the people on the left with SOCIAL and CULTURAL mostly irrelevant trash, like expecting praise and votes because they don't hate gays and blacks, and they NEVER fight the class war.

The class war is the only war left to fight. It's as easy as that. If you're not fighting it, you're not on the left. You protect the rich and corporations, you're NOT LEFT. You come with big piles of nothingness and "we can have a discussion", you're not left.

As things are now, there are 3 choices:

- Bernie
- Tulsi
- Warren

Rest of the dems are pure trash.

Class war, lol. Jesus fucking Christ on the cross. I can't believe you wrote that and meant it.

You should replace your avatar with a Satuday morning cartoon drawing of Karl Marx.

Shitposters of the world... UNITE!

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I see you're back to taking the learning about things after you post. Those are perhaps the three worst choices for the Dems in 2020. I guess Trump told you to post those?

You getting the same vibe I am, that this a Trump supporter engaging in some performance art here?

I've been getting that vibe since this CryotriX guy showed up. I've been saying it stinks for a month and change.

[Skroe]

Reported you. As I said, I have no idea when this subforum was created. What you're doing should clearly be against the rules, you're assuming things about who I am and trying to paint me in a negative light, basically ad hominem.

You barely touch on the posts, all you do is wonder about who I am, as if that's relevant.

I also asked the mods to look into my IP history to confirm how wrong you are.

Absolute insanity to have to deal with such stuff.

Go for it. Accusing people of being sock puppet accounts is not trolling and not insulting and not harassment.

Your posting style and quantity, appearing literally out of nowhere, stinks to high heaven. You post more than almost any of the regulars who have been here for years, in a style that is designed to be disruptive. It is not against the rules to raise that.

Oh and one more thing, I did touch the only relevant point in your post. The Class War insanity of yours. And I responded to it with the seriousness it deserves. Which is to say, treating it like a bad joke, which it is.

Did I miss the part where treating the ideas of other posters thoughts as bad jokes is against the ToS? Looking for that hard...

[cubby]

You getting the same vibe I am, that this a Trump supporter engaging in some performance art here?

I've been getting that vibe since this CryotriX guy showed up. I've been saying it stinks for a month and change.

Yeah, I feel like he outs himself with the Dem choices - those three are objectively the worst three. And it's still early in the "announcement" phase of the presidential primaries. We know Beto is going to run. Ditto Biden. Both are categorically better than Bernie.

Bernie is great for party motivation. He would not be a good general election candidate.

[cubby]

More trash candidates. I see you want to lose. Centrism is horrible and boring.

Because the far left and far right have won so many presidential elections?