Joe Biden- why?

[Mormolyce]

Milo got banned due to twitter saying he was "harrasing" leslie. So you don't have any credible evidence and your just evoking the alt-right boogie man.... Gotcha. Beirtbart harassment campaign? This is a new one to me. Surly you got evidence right? Dismissing hand waving ain't gonna work. Pony up real tangible evidence.

Milo has been associated with the alt-right since the very beginning. In fact he wrote articles popularising the term back when it was still obscure. The Breitbart emails that leaked in 2017 revealed that he was covertly working with neo-Nazis and white supremacists the whole time.

But sure, keep lying to yourself. You're not fooling anyone else.

[Theodarzna]

pony....up.....evidence. You made the claim. Back that shit up. I want actual stories or groups themselves stating "go after amy schumer or ghostbusters". This dismissing hand waving shit won't work on me. Accusing me of "lieing" to myself won't work on me. Actual fucking evidence will. I also wonder how a gay dude like milo fits into the alt-right...hmmmm

Milo was associated with GamerGate, and until 2016, nobody had ever heard of the Alt-Right. By the time the phrase Alt-Right entered into the world and anyone could actually name Richard Spencer; GamerGate was long over with.

There is a rather colorful reimagining of history here on the part of Mormolyce.

[Zan15]

I mean there is being tone-deaf, and then there is Joe Biden level tone-deaf.....

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...ct-allegations

Hey he learned from 2016, ignore the problem...make jokes about it, lie about it....then you become president.
Sounds like a great strat.

[Edge-]

I mean there is being tone-deaf, and then there is Joe Biden level tone-deaf.....

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...ct-allegations

Do conservatives really think this is a relevant issue for them to be raising? That anyone will think they genuinely care/believe this is an issue given the leader of their party? That this isn't all low-level political nonsense with them trying to set up Democrats in a circular firing squad?

I am Jack's extreme level of skepticism.

[downnola]

Alt-right on this forum is little more than a buzzword now. It's used for things that don't even encompass it. Richard Spencer...oh yea alt-right. Embraces literal neo-nazi ideals. Milo? He's a troll who's paid. Also being gay was a big no-no to Nazi's yet milos alt-right according to mormolyce.

Man that logic is giving me a migraine.

Milo co-wrote the manifesto of the alt-right and you want to act like he has no part in the alt-right whatsoever? From the look of it, you don't even seem to know the difference between alt-right and Nazism, let alone know who is or isn't part of the alt-right.

[cubby]

I mean there is being tone-deaf, and then there is Joe Biden level tone-deaf.....

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...ct-allegations

Awwwww - it's adorable when you take made up things from the past ("Creepy Joe") and then paste them onto nothing burgers in the present. Where are your concern troll posts about Trump and his horrific behavior? If you're so worried, where is your nonpartisan "outrage"? Or is this just more of you backing the most despicable human being to ever set foot in the White House?

[downnola]

That's not a manifesto. Milo is associated with the altright, but he's a "degenerate" that wouldn't be allowed to exist if altright would ever come to power. Alt-lite, if you will.

By the way, he has a black boyfriend (or husband) too, which is pretty much anathema.

"But everyone who knows me also knows I'm not a racist. As someone of Jewish ancestry, I of course condemn racism in the strongest possible terms. I have stopped making jokes on these matters because I do not want any confusion on this subject. I disavow Richard Spencer and his entire sorry band of idiots. I have been and am a steadfast supporter of Jews and Israel. I disavow white nationalism and I disavow racism and I always have.”

He's pro Israel too. That's also anathema to the altright.

Here's some from ADL:

It's not a manifesto in a traditional sense because"alt-right" isn't a coherent ideology with any real plans. The key to understanding what "alt-right" actually means is in this sentence:

Delving into the depths of the alternative right, it quickly becomes apparent that the movement is best defined by what it stands against rather than what it stands for. There are a myriad of disagreements between its supporters over what they should build, but virtual unity over what they should destroy.

In other words, "alt-right" is a grab bag of reactionary drivel, that's why it's often conflated with white supremacy and Nazism. There's very little else about the term that's tangible, other than it's collective hate of liberalism, socialism, pluralism, and democracy.

At the end of the day, that document is one of the few honest rundowns on the ideology out there, and Milo didn't write this article as a impartial journalist. He's pretty obviously on board with what's written in this article.

[cubby]

I wasn't aware thinking Joe Biden is a creepy old man had ANYTHING to do with Donald Trump.

Thanks for confirming you continue not to pay attention.

I'll watch as you feign outrage over the Trumpsters.

Pretty sure you won't, or at least if you do, you won't understand it. But thanks for being a fan!

[Edge-]

Yeah, creepy old Joe is just the kind of guy I want hanging around my daughter!

Because if you defend/support Trump, you don't have a moral leg to stand on on this topic.

It always circles back to the orange man...never fails.

Well, it's his supporters who are trying to make a big deal out of this. If they weren't saying shit we wouldn't have to remind them of Trump's behavior, which is far worse than anything Biden did.

[Maruka]

I hope he doesnt run, what a creepy old dude. Who smells people like that lmao. He needs to step aside for someone that has a chance against Trump.

[Machismo]

I hope he doesnt run, what a creepy old dude. Who smells people like that lmao. He needs to step aside for someone that has a chance against Trump.

Well, it seems he behaves a lot like Trump.

[Maruka]

Well, it seems he behaves a lot like Trump.

Sure but the left doesn't stand for it so they wont vote for their candidate if it is him out of morals.

[Dug]

Fox is only changing tune because as always Republicans fail to realize Democrats/Liberals have no problem calling out bad behavior like Biden's. So now they're trying to gaslight everyone into thinking Dems are the unreasonable ones for getting mad at some "old school" dude and his touchy ways.

[downnola]

Sure but the left doesn't stand for it so they wont vote for their candidate if it is him out of morals.

If Dems sit out the next election and give Trump another four years, they deserve every single executive order and justice nomination he puts forward during that time.

[Dug]

That sounds quite conspiratorial. I think they changed the tune because they fear Biden far, far less than a culture driven by the new mores of 3rd wave feminism. Painting Biden as handsy and inappropriate means they disapprove of men being able to, well, touch women like that. Pretty sure Tucker would rather have a society where women that are touched like this don't get their say in the matter and are painted as psychos.

It's textbook concern trolling. When and if Biden announces his run they'll go back to the fake outrage. They were banking on some sort of Kavanaugh scenario and maybe they'll get one later. It's still too soon.

[Mormolyce]

That sounds quite conspiratorial. I think they changed the tune because they fear Biden far, far less than a culture driven by the new mores of 3rd wave feminism. Painting Biden as handsy and inappropriate means they disapprove of men being able to, well, touch women like that. Pretty sure Tucker would rather have a society where women that are touched like this don't get their say in the matter and are painted as psychos.

It's much simpler than that, they simply want to paint as many liberals as they can as getting handsy with women so that they can point at them and yell "NO U" the next time they have a molestation scandal of some kind.

Project, deflect, gaslight. Keep distracting the audience from your own shortcomings. It's the same tactic every single time, basically it's all they have.

[Skroe]

This is really the best BernieBros 2020 have?

Give me a fucking break.

Nice mid-week "thud" sound. Wish I was around for it earlier.

[Gestopft]

This is really the best BernieBros 2020 have?

Give me a fucking break.

Nice mid-week "thud" sound. Wish I was around for it earlier.

Maybe you have a good idea as to why 'conventional wisdom' considers him to be such a strong candidate. Well, at least before shoulderrubgate or whatever the hell this current, unimportant in the grand scheme of things story de jur is.

[Skroe]

Maybe you have a good idea as to why 'conventional wisdom' considers him to be such a strong candidate. Well, at least before shoulderrubgate or whatever the hell this current, unimportant in the grand scheme of things story de jur is.

I'll tell you why.

Because America is racist as fuck and there are far too many dudes who have a problem with a women in power, which means cross Kamala Harris off your list. Through no fault of her own. The middle of country, which she will need to win, is so antediluvian in their predilections she's intrinsically disqualifying.

Because Bernie Sanders is unelectable outside progressive circles. Sanders did the stupidest thing ever in, for some fucking reason, deciding in 2015/2016 to introduce "Democratic Socialism" into this immature country's immature lexicon. Which has since been shortened and weaponized to just 'Socialism', a word that was functionally extinct in American political language before he decided to run for President. And now Bernie Sanders, Socialist (except not really), has made what is actually pretty run of the mill progressive policy items next of kin to the communist manifesto in the eyes of middle America. All because he had to use those two fucking words for some fucking reason. So typical of a progressive... having to make a point while trying to win, rather than just trying to win. Whatever. Sanders won't find 270 electoral votes.

Everyone else is an also ran. Don't get me started on Beto, aka Astroturf Obama.

That means boring white male in 70s who is conventional and safe and can win in middle America, Joe Biden. By default. I wish we had a better option. But we don't.

Don't get me wrong. Not a thing I've said is changed. I'll vote for Bernie Sanders over Trump if it comes to that. Bernie Sanders is just a buffoon who like Trump, writes checks he can't cash and has a weird cult of personality around him. Bernie Sanders, unlike Trump, is not a threat to the future of the United States, our national security, and the liberal international order. President Bernie Sanders, President Harris, President Biden and President Trump 2.0 will all, invariably, be reduced to signing the same budget Trump signed last year and the same two year deal that is pending now, written by McConnell and Pelosi. They will all make their Presidential Budget Requests. Congress won't care. And it'll be business as usual as far as the budget is concerned.

So yeah, I'll vote for Sanders, and then chuckle a bit at the poetic justice when he signs four every increasing defense budgets that buy 20 B-21 Raider stealth bombers a year, rather than pay for free college for all. Because though Democrats will likely keep the House in 2020 and 2022, Democrats will have a hard time winning the Senate in 2020 thanks to their losses in purple states / red states 2018, and if they manage to take it back in either 2020 or 2022, it'll be by a 1-2 vote majority, and no where near 60 votes. And the inverse is true of Republicans. It will be hard for them to take the House in 2020, and harder still in 2022 and so forth, post census redistricting.

That means the Bernie agenda, the Harris Agenda, the Biden agenda and the Trump agenda are all meaningless distractions, and McConnell and Pelosi upscale the same compromise budget that's been in effect since 2015, every year, as far as the eye can see.

So why Biden? Because Biden can't be tagged as a "socialist", which will hurt Bernie in country bumpkin land that he needs to win. Because Biden is a white male who can win people who don't like "the blacks" and don't like a woman in charge. Because the worst of Biden - being overly tactile and with a proclivity to put his foot in his mouth - is zero'd out by Donald Trump, sexual Predator and friend of White Supremacists, who has spent years saying things so supremely bad a bit of innocent faux pas from Uncle Joe would be refreshing.

I know the Bernie Crowd, only a few strands of DNA removed from the Trumpkin deplorables in terms of there "I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore" deplorable-like rage, think there is appetite for a "revolutionary" President who will be all dramatic. I disagree. I think, and this will be especially true by election day, there is and will be even a greater longing for a President who will frankly, be quiet, and de-escalate the political noise. Quiet harmless, lowkey Grandad Joe, back from the farm for a tour of duty, looks rather good compared to Captain Drama, Donald Trump. Trading the Trump drama show for the Sanders drama show ain't exactly a great sell line.

But most of all remember, the Democratic nominee doesn't need to excite progressives in Massachusetts. Their votes don't matter. He or she doesn't need to excite progressives in New York. Their votes don't matter. They need to win in Central Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan. If they can do that, and win Virginia and Colorodo, Trump mathematically cannot win.

So tell me, who stands a better job doing that if I were some idiot blue collar backwards hick that sometimes votes Democrat? Harmless Grandad Joe or Socialist Bernie? Oh and let's be clear, they'll both run on pretty much the same platform, which is Healthcare.

If you want to beat Trump, Joe Biden is the safe pick. I don't see Bernie Sanders winning all of the states I named, and remember: if one is lost, then the Democrat in question has to win Ohio, North Carolina, or Florida.

[Deadite]

Because if you defend/support Trump, you don't have a moral leg to stand on on this topic.

Or if your not a hyperpartisan you could say that Trump being a cunt in no way detracts from Biden being a creepy bastard? I can see that some people think that walking up behind a woman and putting your hand on her while you lean in and have a quick sniff of her hair before whispering into her ear is fine cause ya know.. blue. You can dislike them both. No one will take away your democratic membership card.