One classic nay sayer admits they were wrong after playing beta

[Dug]

Wow youtubers fooling saps to ride off the hype and make a quick buck are nothing new. If and when it becomes profitable to hate on classic then they will.

[mojojojo202]

In addition. Some items had true staying power. A trinket from a level 55 dungeon could be valuable through the entirety of endgame. There was a reason to go into previous tiers existed (scarcity of loot, legendary items, etc.).

That was true in BfA... people hated it.

[arkanon]

Wow youtubers fooling saps to ride off the hype and make a quick buck are nothing new. If and when it becomes profitable to hate on classic then they will.

People seem to forget these guys are running a business - for profit....their profit.....The number of streamers / youtube 'personalities' who ride the hype train of a new upcoming game to gain financially, and then abandon it in favor of the next latest and greatest upcoming game is quite amazing really.

If they are branded as a general gaming channel, thats absolutely fine - But there is certainly some decent coin to be made by jumping on the bandwagon, and then when public opinion sways, jumping on the next wagon, even if its going the other way.

"classic will be garbage and is a waste of time"

hmmm, beta is out, ppl are loving it, streamers are making a lot of money off this.......

"i was wrong, classic is amazing, here is my twitch channel, pls sub"

hmmm, dieing off now, most ppl have given up before 60.......time to jump ship!

"i thought i wanted classic, but i was wrong, but i just got an invite to hello kitty island adventure 2, and its the next big thing! check out my twitch channel for gameplay!"

[Cainium]

Either Venruki is a good actor or he people are wrong about he's doing it for the money.

Watching his stream it looks like he has a lot of fun.

For me, both versions still have their pros and cons, but Classic just wins.

Pros for current WoW:
- Classes have a bit more depth. I say a bit, 'cause most classes in Classic are gimped by the debuff limit in raids, and there are way more funny builds one can do which work in every other content than in BfA.
- Boss mechanics are way better and more interesting. But there is also a limitation here, 'cause broken down to what the player has todo, it's mostly the same. Just a varying combination and different tuning (with exceptions, of course).
- Storytelling is better. I honestly think the BfA story isn't that boring to begin with.

But that's it for me. I've been a big fan of M+ for a long time, but after one and a half expansions I'm already bored of it. The reason is: What you get there has basically zero value. If you don't have a group which can push really high keys for prestige, there is not much to it.

Pros for Classic:
- The world feels bigger and more immersive.
- Community building is required and more so, it's FUN.
- The grinding in Classic is worth it. What you aquired, is yours, and has a value 'cause good items are rare and not given for free to everyone who shoot 10 birds.
- Leveling feels rewarding. With the old talent trees and the spell ranks tought by trainers, without any scaling in effect, you actually feel getting stronger.
- Same for items. Getting +4int on an item is an actual increase in power. Getting +5 itemlevels on BfA is basically worth nothing, 'cause there is nothing that requires power, and on top of that, scaling eats a part of it.
- Dungeons are way more complex, making them way more interesting.

[huth]

I really think blizzard should add zhevra hoofs to their shop. People would buy them.

Don't be silly. Zhevras don't have hooves. That's just a myth, like murloc heads.

[Eurhetemec]

The baffling part to me isn't that guys like venruki finally came around, its that they didn't remember this in the first place lol. Ive been playing non stop since mid 06 and its so blatantly obvious to me that the game has become a worse mmo over the years i have to wonder how people who have been playing as long as i have dont think the same thing.

I've played longer than you (since Vanilla open beta) and I don't agree that it's got worse every year. Not a single thing about the game has got worse every year. Not one.

That's not to say there haven't been some downward trends, but they always have their ups and downs, their backs and forths. And mostly they're things most players don't care about, like roleplaying. WoW is a worse RPG, particularly stressing the RP, now, than it was in 2004, but it's certainly not clearly a worse MMO. There's back and forth, there's better and worse.

Once Classic is live, and has been for, say, six months, then I think people will be able to make much better judgments. There will be stuff that still seems good and maybe should come back. But there will be an awful lot of stuff that's painful and unfun, and that people can ignore when they're level 15 in a beta that's going to be wiped in a few weeks, but won't be able to ignore when they're 60 and playing for keeps.

[Eurhetemec]

For me, both versions still have their pros and cons, but Classic just wins.

I wanted to say I think you made a better and more honest summary of the good/bad points (for my money) of Retail and Classic than anyone else I've seen here.

But my feeling is that the community is going to be wrecked by modern technology, modern access to knowledge, and elitism, which is far worse and far more acceptable now, than it was in 2004-2006. It'll be fine in beta, because everyone is having a jolly time, no-one is max level, everyone will be wiped soon and so on. But once it goes live? Especially once a level 60 community emerges? I think it'll rapidly become an elitist shit-show where people use mods and out-of-game tools to build groups quickly and efficiently and exclude anyone who wants to play like it was Vanilla, rather than speed-running every dungeon with the correct group.

I mean, you can see this in games like GW2, which kept their level cap and so on. In GW2, when it started, people explored the massive and sometimes complex dungeons with their cool encounters and so on. It was awesome. Cut to three years later, and if you aren't the right spec, wearing the exact right gear, and don't know the dungeon and every speed-running trick backwards, people are going to be dicks to you. I am pretty sure the attitude will rapidly emerge in Classic. Not in the beta. Maybe not in first three or even six months, but soon thereafter.

[InTheEnd]

I don't think most doubters of Classic's supposedly assured huge success (such as myself) thought there would be no interest in Classic or that barely anyone will play. We have mostly said there might be a big initial attendance for Classic, but 6 months+ later the hype will die down and people will have lost the nostalgia they felt before.

[Monster Hunter]

For years I have read people (who probably pretend to have played vanilla) on this forum saying vanilla was bad and people think it was great because of nostalgia. Now classic beta is open we can finally have a fair comparison and it's funny to see how the nay sayers admit they were wrong after playing beta.

I didn't like it the first time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, I only played because my freinds at the time all did and I was 16 with a ton of free time, Pritty much still the only reason I play, wows a fucking shit game always has been always will be.

[Thefatness]

I didn't like it the first time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, I only played because my freinds at the time all did and I was 16 with a ton of free time, Pritty much still the only reason I play, wows a fucking shit game always has been always will be.

And yet here you are talking about WoW, if it's so shit why do you need to be here?

[Monster Hunter]

And yet here you are talking about WoW, if it's so shit why do you need to be here?

It's where my freinds are duh said that in the post, also I think people who get zealous about anything need at least some one to voice the opposite opinion or this would all become one huge circle jerk. Eevery zelot of anything needs some one to say "actualy mate, it's pritty shit"

[Dug]

It's where my freinds are duh said that in the post, also I think people who get zealous about anything need at least some one to voice the opposite opinion or this would all become one huge circle jerk. Eevery zelot of anything needs some one to say "actualy mate, it's pritty shit"

Even if it's not what you actually feel? That's retarded

[Kaleredar]

Nothing new or novel to do in it.


I've done the quests. I've run the dungeons. I've ground the reps.


I did it once, and I see no reason to do it again. It will not furnish me with experiences I've never had. And why experience old things when I can experience new ones?


I like discovering things in games. There's nothing left to discover in vanilla WoW. Back in the day there was mystery; what's behind the Greymane wall? What's behind the gates of Uldum? Where does that locked up portal in Stormwind go? What's inside Karazhan?

We know the answers to all of those questions. Collecting bear asses to grind reps to get through dungeons I've already done, but having all of that take tens of hours more time, does not sound intriguing to me.

[Monster Hunter]

Even if it's not what you actually feel? That's retarded

It is how I feel. Wow is a fucking boring shit game, it's just more entertaining than Facebook for socialising when I don't want to go out.

[Dekkers]

Many more to come.
Classic will be extremely successful. Not just short term.
For years.

[Dug]

It is how I feel. Wow is a fucking boring shit game, it's just more entertaining than Facebook for socialising when I don't want to go out.

I know its how you feel I'm commenting on you saying every group of people enjoying one thing has to have one person against that. That's silly imo

[grexly75]

One guy makes a shitty clickbait YouTube video which has obviously been carefully designed to maximize watch time and suddenly that means all Classic naysayers are in agreement with him.

I love this world we live in. Do people even bother thinking these days?

Unfortunately no, in this day and age it is all about the shock value of a videos/articles title, and the title of this thread is a classic example of that..

[MrExcelion]

You sure feel wrong if viewer numbers go up instead of down.

Yeah, generally people like Venruki will give this a shot if it increases his subcount several thousand fold. There's some precedent here if you look at the Smash Bros. Melee streamers that pretended to like Smash Ultimate and streamed nothing else for about 4 months then just dropped off after they plateaued. Was great for their sub counts. Not saying this is 100% what Venruki is thinking internally, but there's motivation to grow their brand and stream by giving classic a shot. Asmongold's 100k viewership sent a strong signal. There will be a ton of streamers going hardcore with Classic for a few months, but we'll see if how long that lasts. Asmongold basically stopped streaming retail and has been biding his time until around the Classic beta.

tldr: Streamers are going to be biased more than the average player. Something to be aware of. Classic does look fun though ofc

[Willhouse]

Its gonna die out within six months...

[Count Zero]

1. It's one guy.
2. It's been, what, 3 days of beta? I don't think most "classic naysayers" were claiming it would instantly fail.
3. Three days after new expansion launches, forums are usually filled with "this is amazing", regardless of how it eventually turns out. Hype works both for retail and classic.
4. You could just as easily find people claiming the opposite, though I doubt making a video titled "I didn't change my mind" is nearly as exciting.

Yep. And in a couple/few months after launch these same "I changed my mind" types will be making videos about why Classic is stale, or something.