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    What if N'zoth dies? [8.2 Spoilers]

    So, we know through datamined text that Lor'themar says that Nzoth will rise. For a moment, let's pretend that's a misdirection.

    What if, at the very end of Azshara's Eternal Palace, someone Sylvanas actually ends up putting an end to Nzoth before he can even pop up fully on the surface?

    What then?

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    That would be a fucking mess of lore. Old gods have always been defeated by an army/ large raid. That’s how much of a strong forces they are.

    No way a single “BANSHEE” lets make it clear Sylvanas is not some unique undead. Power wise a Lich would wipe the floor with her. Beside how would she stop N’zoth? With the blade he wants her to have in order to corrupt her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewshine View Post
    That would be a fucking mess of lore. Old gods have always been defeated by an army/ large raid. That’s how much of a strong forces they are.

    No way a single “BANSHEE” lets make it clear Sylvanas is not some unique undead. Power wise a Lich would wipe the floor with her. Beside how would she stop N’zoth? With the blade he wants her to have in order to corrupt her?
    Maybe she drops a mana bomb on him. Or does something with Xalatath, which Nathanos stashes away somewhere on Nazjatar for an unknown reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewshine View Post
    No way a single “BANSHEE” lets make it clear Sylvanas is not some unique undead. Power wise a Lich would wipe the floor with her. Beside how would she stop N’zoth? With the blade he wants her to have in order to corrupt her?
    I'm assuming you didn't play the war of thorns where she manages to hold her ground against someone light years more powerful than she is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnluckyAmateur View Post
    I'm assuming you didn't play the war of thorns where she manages to hold her ground against someone light years more powerful than she is?
    To be fair, Sylvanas had an important over Malfurion that came to show all the time after Firelands... Malfurion is a moron.
    He has to fight an ancient enemy he should by thousands of years of experience know he can't handle? Let's just yolo leeroy Jenkins his face. He can call to his aid every single living creature including plants, roots and trees to his aid? Nah, just throw some Wrath, Moonfire and Sun Wrath at people while trusting a small bunch of night elves and a few ancients with the defense of the entire region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthiasVonTzeskagrad View Post
    To be fair, Sylvanas had an important over Malfurion that came to show all the time after Firelands... Malfurion is a moron.
    He has to fight an ancient enemy he should by thousands of years of experience know he can't handle? Let's just yolo leeroy Jenkins his face. He can call to his aid every single living creature including plants, roots and trees to his aid? Nah, just throw some Wrath, Moonfire and Sun Wrath at people while trusting a small bunch of night elves and a few ancients with the defense of the entire region.
    I'm sure going bearform and spamming the maul ability is the best use of his powers.
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    She didn't really hold much. Saurfang arrived in the nick of time to defend her before Malfurion would land the killing blow. It would be ubsurd to suggest that she would be able to be on par with someone who fought Deathwing one on one and survived, beat Xavius three times,hold the whole Nightmare alone during the Stormrage novel and other crazy feats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewshine View Post
    No way a single “BANSHEE” lets make it clear Sylvanas is not some unique undead. Power wise a Lich would wipe the floor with her. Beside how would she stop N’zoth? With the blade he wants her to have in order to corrupt her?
    While neither impervious nor unstoppable, the current lore of WoW and even back to WC3 has taken pains to establish that Sylvanas is much more than a simple Banshee. She established this early on by holding her own with Death Knight Arthas accompanied by Frostmourne and nearly killing him - and multiple sources have stated that her abilities have grown with time. Harnessing the Val'kyr as well as growing more and more skillful with her own innate Necromantic abilities has created something well beyond the basic banshee template.

    That being said, I don't think she's the equal of N'Zoth - though I'd imagine she'd make a powerful vessel for his essence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth-Piekus View Post
    She didn't really hold much. Saurfang arrived in the nick of time to defend her before Malfurion would land the killing blow. It would be ubsurd to suggest that she would be able to be on par with someone who fought Deathwing one on one and survived, beat Xavius three times,hold the whole Nightmare alone during the Stormrage novel and other crazy feats.
    And yet that's exactly what Danuser and the fanboys are claiming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth-Piekus View Post
    She didn't really hold much. Saurfang arrived in the nick of time to defend her before Malfurion would land the killing blow. It would be ubsurd to suggest that she would be able to be on par with someone who fought Deathwing one on one and survived, beat Xavius three times,hold the whole Nightmare alone during the Stormrage novel and other crazy feats.
    Except in A Good War, which came after in-game scenario and as such is canon under the "newer lore trumps older lore in case of conflict" rule, when Saurfang arrived Sylvanas just launched Malfurion flying into a tree and was in no danger whatsoever.

    Also, Malfurion never fought Deathwing one on one. He infiltrated his lair via the Emerald Dream and then ran away like a little bitch. And you accidentally left out the part that Malfurion fought Xavius four times. And while he did win the first three times, in his last bout with Xavius he lost to him and then was held captive by Xavius' mere shade even though he received no noticeable power ups since their penultimate fight.


    Quote Originally Posted by Feanoro View Post
    And yet that's exactly what Danuser and the fanboys are claiming.
    Who'd pay attention to canon material like the novels, amirite? That's only for "fanboys".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth-Piekus View Post
    She didn't really hold much. Saurfang arrived in the nick of time to defend her before Malfurion would land the killing blow. It would be ubsurd to suggest that she would be able to be on par with someone who fought Deathwing one on one and survived, beat Xavius three times,hold the whole Nightmare alone during the Stormrage novel and other crazy feats.
    It sounds like someone never bothered to read a good war, who would have guessed.
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    That's same excuse from you and so many others on this website and your right some of threads do bully high elf fans to a point where they might end up losing their minds to a point of a mass shooting.
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    It'd kill my hopeful wish that both factions get completely obliterated by him, so not a fan.

    It is however the stupid "i bet you didn't expect this!" drivel I expect from the writers on the WoW team.

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    It'd be hilarious if he died in some cutscene or quest, like Ysera in Legion :V

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irian View Post
    It'd kill my hopeful wish that both factions get completely obliterated by him, so not a fan.

    It is however the stupid "i bet you didn't expect this!" drivel I expect from the writers on the WoW team.
    Nzoth kinda forgot to be powerful.
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    That's same excuse from you and so many others on this website and your right some of threads do bully high elf fans to a point where they might end up losing their minds to a point of a mass shooting.
    Holy shit lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by EbaumsTipster View Post
    So, we know through datamined text that Lor'themar says that Nzoth will rise. For a moment, let's pretend that's a misdirection.

    What if, at the very end of Azshara's Eternal Palace, someone Sylvanas actually ends up putting an end to Nzoth before he can even pop up fully on the surface?

    What then?
    N'zoth needs her to kill one version of death in order to resurrect the other old gods.

    The void wants control of death.

    N'zoth will either die somehow in 8.3, or open the doors for 9.0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Who'd pay attention to canon material like the novels, amirite? That's only for "fanboys".
    So since it favors a character you like, you're suddenly ok with them shitting on established lore. Got it.
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    I'll buy an Anduin shirt if Delaryn doesn't end up betraying Sylvanas by the end of the expansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EbaumsTipster View Post
    So, we know through datamined text that Lor'themar says that Nzoth will rise. For a moment, let's pretend that's a misdirection.

    What if, at the very end of Azshara's Eternal Palace, someone Sylvanas actually ends up putting an end to Nzoth before he can even pop up fully on the surface?

    What then?
    Old Gods don't die. When defeated they sleep. The only way to 'kill' an old god is to purge it, which the titans tried to do with Y'shaarj and almost killed the planet in the process. That's why the Titans have prisons for the old gods and have been experimenting with research facilities(like Uldir) to try and find another way to purge Old Gods and their corruption. The only realistic end I could see is N'zoth being imprisoned within Xal'atath's now empty blade, without them actually butchering the Lore that is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnluckyAmateur View Post
    I'm assuming you didn't play the war of thorns where she manages to hold her ground against someone light years more powerful than she is?
    Sylvanas was definitely losing to Malfurion, what are you on about

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    It will. Alleria's going to eat it and be the final boss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyky View Post
    Old Gods don't die. When defeated they sleep. The only way to 'kill' an old god is to purge it, which the titans tried to do with Y'shaarj and almost killed the planet in the process. That's why the Titans have prisons for the old gods and have been experimenting with research facilities(like Uldir) to try and find another way to purge Old Gods and their corruption. The only realistic end I could see is N'zoth being imprisoned within Xal'atath's now empty blade, without them actually butchering the Lore that is.
    Nope. C'Thun died in classic according to quest text. Yogg Saron says its corpse will haunt Northrend forever, and the living don't leave corpses. Xal'Atath says that Yogg and C'Thun are just as dead as Y'Shaarj is, and N'Zoth is the only one that remains. A recent interview confirmed that they are as dead as anything ever is in Warcraft (i.e. they can setback them at some point but ocnsider them dead for now.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Except in A Good War, which came after in-game scenario and as such is canon under the "newer lore trumps older lore in case of conflict" rule, when Saurfang arrived Sylvanas just launched Malfurion flying into a tree and was in no danger whatsoever.

    Also, Malfurion never fought Deathwing one on one. He infiltrated his lair via the Emerald Dream and then ran away like a little bitch. And you accidentally left out the part that Malfurion fought Xavius four times. And while he did win the first three times, in his last bout with Xavius he lost to him and then was held captive by Xavius' mere shade even though he received no noticeable power ups since their penultimate fight.




    Who'd pay attention to canon material like the novels, amirite? That's only for "fanboys".
    Is it really so hard for you to be objective? Xavius' shade was obviously not as powerful as Xavius himself - but it was extremely powerful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    It sounds like someone never bothered to read a good war, who would have guessed.
    Malfurion was beating her in the book as well. Imagine being such a fanboy you try to change established lore

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