Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

**Theodarzna** · 2020-04-02, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Milchshake

Thank you for your service ... of calling out all the BS

Its like this person has consistently bad takes on Democrat politics. Well politics in general.

Part of the whole "Trump is ouflanking the libs on social policies" schtick.

Social policy? No, and originally on economics? Yes, Trump did actually hit Hillary from the Left back then and even initially in the crisis, Romney and Trump coming out with UBI before pussing out was outflanking to the Left.

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Originally Posted by Machismo

That's a very long history of shilling and cheerleading for Trump., That's three of literally dozens of examples I long ago gave to you.

Feel free to keep moving those goalposts.

Enjoy!!!

So you basically can't actually cite any evidence I voted for Trump, just that I criticized centrist Democrats and Neo-Liberalism generally speaking. Well, I am glad that we could cover this. I am sure you will be right back to this next reply guy moment, but thanks for even trying.

**Machismo** · 2020-04-02, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Theodarzna

Social policy? No, and originally on economics? Yes, Trump did actually hit Hillary from the Left back then and even initially in the crisis, Romney and Trump coming out with UBI before pussing out was outflanking to the Left.

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So you basically can't actually cite any evidence I voted for Trump, just that I criticized centrist Democrats and Neo-Liberalism generally speaking. Well, I am glad that we could cover this. I am sure you will be right back to this next reply guy moment, but thanks for even trying.

Uh huh...

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...n-OH-FL-and-PA

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...male-president

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...WAR-with-Trump

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...-changes-ahead

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...g-of-the-Media

Keep moving those goalposts, I expect nothing less. You are welcome for all the evidence.

**cubby** · 2020-04-02, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by Rochana

What happened to "having higher standards" or "not lowering ourselves" ?

I mean, are you also going to apply that to breaking the rules to try and get rid of Trump or are we still supposed to 'have higher standards' there?

All I'm really smelling here is opportunism, cowardice and tribalism.

You're a Trump supporter. There never was ever reasoning with you, and there never will be. What's the point - NOW - in discussing facts and reality with you when you've spent the last three years ignoring both.

See how easy it is to undermine any argument you make about sexual assault?

**Milchshake** · 2020-04-02, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by cubby

You're a Trump supporter. There never was ever reasoning with you, and there never will be. What's the point - NOW - in discussing facts and reality with you when you've spent the last three years ignoring both.

See how easy it is to undermine any argument you make about sexual assault?

It is a consistent problem for "Anti-Democrats" that they go way out on a limb for The Dear Leader. Only to find that Trump/Bernie himself is sawing it off behind them.
They believe that each double-down required of them is the last.
Every lie they make on his behalf, will be the last.
Every contradiction they make on his behalf, will be the last.

They never learn.

**Theodarzna** · 2020-04-02, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Machismo

Uh huh...

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...n-OH-FL-and-PA

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...male-president

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...WAR-with-Trump

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...-changes-ahead

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...g-of-the-Media

Keep moving those goalposts, I expect nothing less. You are welcome for all the evidence.

1) Already cited and responded to.

2) Me musing about how funny the "We need a woman president crowd" would act if Trumps daughter ran for president, and to see what sort of juicy comments that would inspire from the intersectionals.

3) Pointing out that the CIA can't be trusted and citing Glen Greenwald? That is your evidence?

4) I oppose the OCR "Dear Colleague" Letter and the way Title IX is handled on campus? That isn't really an endorsement of Donald Trump, nor do I in the thread, if I did I suspect you'd have that link ready, screencapped and posted in each Reply Guy response.

5) Citing Ross Douthat who basically said that being openly partisan in the media leads to bubbles and the media got 2016 wrong. Also Ross Douthat didn't say Trump was a good guy or to vote for him.

So you redo a previous debunked link, and bring four unimpressive posts that never suggest anyone vote for Trump. This game is fascinating but I am waiting for something juicy. Otherwise this sea-lion is less fun to play with.

**Telogrus** · 2020-04-02, 09:08 PM

Democrat voters are becoming more and more unhinged

**Machismo** · 2020-04-02, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by Theodarzna

1) Already cited and responded to.

2) Me musing about how funny the "We need a woman president crowd" would act if Trumps daughter ran for president, and to see what sort of juicy comments that would inspire from the intersectionals.

3) Pointing out that the CIA can't be trusted and citing Glen Greenwald? That is your evidence?

4) I oppose the OCR "Dear Colleague" Letter and the way Title IX is handled on campus? That isn't really an endorsement of Donald Trump, nor do I in the thread, if I did I suspect you'd have that link ready, screencapped and posted in each Reply Guy response.

5) Citing Ross Douthat who basically said that being openly partisan in the media leads to bubbles and the media got 2016 wrong. Also Ross Douthat didn't say Trump was a good guy or to vote for him.

So you redo a previous debunked link, and bring four unimpressive posts that never suggest anyone vote for Trump. This game is fascinating but I am waiting for something juicy. Otherwise this sea-lion is less fun to play with.

Originally Posted by Tulsi2024

Democrat voters are becoming more and more unhinged

At least you are done pretending to be a totes Democrat.

**Milchshake** · 2020-04-02, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by Machismo

Well this is the generation that grew up with Fox News.

Explains their dyed in the wool hatred for Dems. It's such a paranoid pathology, they literally hate the only party that is wants to expand healthcare in the country.

The other pathology is spoiled suburban kids. Who think they get everything they want, in spite of the contrary logic.

Can you find the quote where they bragged about " coming from wealth, and expecting to live in wealth"?

**JohnBrown1917** · 2020-04-02, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Tulsi2024

Democrat voters are becoming more and more unhinged

Your beloved Tulsi endorsed Biden, so you better get over it.

**Theodarzna** · 2020-04-02, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Machismo

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...-of-Pres-Trump

Text of post:

Now obviously there will be plenty of jobs building the great skull throne, and of course hunting Hispanics, as well as apparently new jobs as "Grand Wizards," So magic is finally back and Harry Potter fans will have something to do.

So in the Grim Dark Future of 2017 when Trump sits upon his Golden Throne, what will you do?

A joke of a post that nobody could take seriously, except i guess an AnCap grasping at some major straw.

Originally Posted by Machismo

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...p-Trump-ticket

Already cited that, and i bunked it, but yeah, me musing it would be funny if Trump got his daughter to run as the first VP and the intersectionals reaction would be eye opening. Kind of like the #MeToo Feminists becoming ardent rape apologists to defend Biden.

Originally Posted by Machismo

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ked-Poll-Shows

Me correct pointing out Hillary isn't doing so well politically and isn't likely to win, not an endorsement of Trump. But I guess citing a NYT's piece is Trumpian in AnCapistan?

Originally Posted by Machismo

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...-Issues-Gallop

Pointing out the polling data is Trump endorsement now? By the way all this stuff reminds me of how I was right and vindicated on Election day. Also, what should I have done? Like not mentioned it? Like if you just don't acknowledge that she was a bad candidate, she becomes a good candidate through magic. Is/Was Hillary Clinton a Tulpa, or a Chaos God whose material nature depended on what we thought about her? So if we all thought she was sunshine incarnate she would have become that? If so I apologize sincerely for screwing up the ritual.

Originally Posted by Machismo

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...until-after-GE

Asking if Hillary can be trusted on her position on the TTP/TTIP is saying "Vote for Trump" how?

Originally Posted by Machismo

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...toric%E2%80%9D

Pointing out the Hillary is failing with young voters is an endorsement of Trump? Also she was doing better with the kids than Biden, so I guess Biden is double fucked now.

Originally Posted by Machismo

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ersectionality

I've never been pro-Intersectionality and pointed out that the logic of "Coalition of the Ascendant" depends on a very Alt-Righty kind of Demographics are Destiny thinking is both horrible but also not likely to ever happen isn't an endorsement of Trump.

Originally Posted by Machismo

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...-Email-Servers

Talking about the email server scandal, notice I never say "Vote for Trump"? I'm really bored here with this, I'm hoping somewhere you've got something. Is this some big brained "If you are not praising Hillary you are for Trump" kinda thinking? Magical.

Originally Posted by Machismo

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...misconceptions

A star slate codex post (A dude who isn't a Trump supporter) going over the actual humans who voted for Trump and trying to accurately represent them. OMG, Could there be any worse form of Fascism? /s

Seriously, this is your big smoking gun? I humanized some people instead of dehumanized them by treating them fairly?

Originally Posted by Machismo

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ndle-the-truth

Not an endorsement of Trump, also I criticize correctly the whole Mueller bugaboo that later turned out to be bogus. Man you bringing up my greatest hits, its like a recollection of how the real MMO-OC GenOT saying should be "Theo is always right".

Originally Posted by Machismo

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ut-poor-people

Lol, I never even mention Trump in that post, seriously, Machismo? Who is your dealer? I clearly am smoking the wrong stuff. Also I criticize both parties in that one. I point out that both parties aren't friendly towards the poor in their rhetoric and outlook.

Originally Posted by Machismo

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ald-Trump-hoax

I, Theo, Correctly point out, via citing BuzzFeed (Not exactly a Trumpian news outlet) that a lot of Democrats fell for a hoax in their deep and earnest desire to OWN THE DRUMPF, were increasingly zanny and willing to believe just about anything making them way too easy to troll and make out to be fools because they could and would believe any bait place in front of them they think will lead to them "OWNING THE CHUDS!"

This reminds me in a microcosm kind of way about how there was this poster named "Miss Koboyashi" whom unbeknownst to me; a ton of posters here earnestly believed and talked to as me. They even called this poster Theo. Theo-Trutherism was big, and I found out only when another poster finally tagged me and I got to have a laugh riot at this and rightly point out how it was nonsense. Sometimes people grow to hate someone so much, they make that person like a totem and out to be more than they are, AND more accurately in this case, are willing to believe anything about that person.

Here, it is pointed out that a hoax managed to deceive a lot of well meaning but blinded by their anger over losing an election. I warned against going for stuff that was too good to be true. Heck I've done that, we all fall for things that sound like they are true because they represent "Those enemies" so perfectly. Heck look at the Jussie Smollet incident or the Covington Catholic High School kids incident, people WANTED to believe those stories, but once proven to be hoaxes they made the people who instantly believed it look bad.

Originally Posted by Machismo

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...s-White-People

Lol, I cite a MATT STOLLER piece and that is support for Trump? Dude pointed out that a lot of the generic average Democrats with their "Love trumps Hate" schtick are hypocrites and acting like this is toxic and that is saying "Vote for Trump?"

Originally Posted by Machismo

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ndrome-Arrives

I don't believe the RussiaGhazi, yeah, that also isn't me saying "Vote for Trump" or "I endorse the presidency of Donald J. Trump". Also man, it feels good being vindicated later on about RussiaGhazi, it literally led nowhere and produced nothing except talking points used by Centrist democrats against Leftists. In the end all that shit even helped Trump politically and become a weapon for corporate democrats to maintain their control over that party.

Originally Posted by Machismo

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...m-defeat-Trump

I, correctly, point out that for Democrats to start winning elections they have to first even be willing to admit to defeat in the first place. Which in the thick paranoid frenzy of "It was all a Russian plot!" hysteria it is impossible to even broker the thoughts and ideas that "Maybe we didn't campaign good". Also I never mention voting for Trump here either.

Originally Posted by Machismo

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...linton-Sanders

I correctly and factually cite that the DNC lawyers state they were under no obligation to even run an impartial or fair primary isn't some big endorsement of Trump either. I think so far the pattern of why I get flamed so much is I say things a bunch of people don't want to hear, I don't say a lot of comforting things and people get freaking ANGRY about that.

Originally Posted by Machismo

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...-for-fake-news

I cite Eric R. Weinstein; so far the only vaguely "Right" link other than the NYPost you got me on and even Eric R. Weinstein didn't vote for Trump nor does he advise one do so, but he does correctly point out the media uses interesting vocabulary for their descriptions of his actions, lexicon not used with past presidents, even past presidents who did similar or even the same things.

Originally Posted by Machismo

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...-new-DNC-Chair

Lol, I don't even mention Trump here, and merely point out that with Tom Perez as chair, the DNC is sticking with the Clintonite consensus. This doesn't even mention Trump.

Originally Posted by Machismo

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...Name-Of-Saving

I cite Glenn Greenwald (Not exactly your Trumpian source) and question if cozying up, valorizing and lionizing CIA, FBI and other deep state apparatchiks is a good thing and rightly point out the immorality of say wanting a coup d'etat to overturn the 2016 election. That isn't really an endorsement of Trump. I mean its an opposition to state power and saying "Hey guys, hating Trump is fine, giving the CIA a loving kiss on the trouser snake in hopes that big daddy covert agents overthrow the election is probably a bad way to handle this" is not exactly a Pro-Trump sentiment.

Originally Posted by Machismo

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...eir-own-crimes

Welp, Brendan O’Neill; hey, finally I am citing someone legitimately disgusting... a Libertarian. Yuck. I will repent for that for sure. But his point, and mine, which is valid, is that Trump is not uniquely evil or awful given the broad scope of history and horrible things American Presidents have done.

Originally Posted by Machismo

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...IMSELF-ON-FIRE

I freely admit to have a cold frozen heart of black ice, yes, I made fun of someone setting themselves on fire to protest an election, not even a military coup, but just an election between two flavors of center-right to more right. Yeah, I am a cunt, but didn't say "Vote for Trump. However, re-reading that, some of my puns were legit funny and I am smiling once again. That first page is goldmine of morbid puns.

So to recap your quick copy pasta of randomly selected old threads:

I have some conservative social/cultural opinions; oddly none of those threads you even cited, Sad. Even at that its not even that Right-Wing of views. I have Marxist views on economics. I basically can summarize all these threads in one little package.

Basically; like a mom who thinks her fourteen year old daughter going on a date with a twenty five year old man with a "No RAGRATS!" Tattoo on his chest and a backwards baseball cap whose name is Kyle, and rightly points out all the mistakes this course of action will take, you are the insane person saying I must hate my daughter for not wanting her to blow that man ten years older than her or for daring to suggest its a bad idea. And when she comes back, single, knocked up and on drugs, you are the person suggesting I'm not supportive enough for rightly pointing out that her course of action was partly how she ended up here and she needs to be better than this. Basically I point out that Democrats are making a lot of mistakes, and critique Neo-Liberalism and call on Leftists to act better and that is a great and terrible sin. I've done the same for Conservatism when it comes to Free-Market Fundamentalism or militarism and zionism, but alas those threads don't get much attention here.

The key insight and skill I have politically is that I've spent the last four years mostly ignoring Donald Trump. In my view he is the least important thing right now. For people for whom Donald Trump has been the sole single thing that occupies their entire mental space for the last four years this must be genuinely aggravating.

Dude, I really hope you have actual evidence, but so far this trip down memory lane is kinda fun; though sad that you are taking the time for this or not even doing that good of a search.

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Originally Posted by Tulsi2024

Democrat voters are becoming more and more unhinged

Sorry, but only Marianne Williamson, Crystal Queen is good now. Alas Tulsi endorsed Biden.

**Machismo** · 2020-04-02, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Theodarzna

Text of post:

A joke of a post that nobody could take seriously, except i guess an AnCap grasping at some major straw.

Already cited that, and i bunked it, but yeah, me musing it would be funny if Trump got his daughter to run as the first VP and the intersectionals reaction would be eye opening. Kind of like the #MeToo Feminists becoming ardent rape apologists to defend Biden.

Me correct pointing out Hillary isn't doing so well politically and isn't likely to win, not an endorsement of Trump. But I guess citing a NYT's piece is Trumpian in AnCapistan?

Pointing out the polling data is Trump endorsement now? By the way all this stuff reminds me of how I was right and vindicated on Election day. Also, what should I have done? Like not mentioned it? Like if you just don't acknowledge that she was a bad candidate, she becomes a good candidate through magic. Is/Was Hillary Clinton a Tulpa, or a Chaos God whose material nature depended on what we thought about her? So if we all thought she was sunshine incarnate she would have become that? If so I apologize sincerely for screwing up the ritual.

Asking if Hillary can be trusted on her position on the TTP/TTIP is saying "Vote for Trump" how?

Pointing out the Hillary is failing with young voters is an endorsement of Trump? Also she was doing better with the kids than Biden, so I guess Biden is double fucked now.

I've never been pro-Intersectionality and pointed out that the logic of "Coalition of the Ascendant" depends on a very Alt-Righty kind of Demographics are Destiny thinking is both horrible but also not likely to ever happen isn't an endorsement of Trump.

Talking about the email server scandal, notice I never say "Vote for Trump"? I'm really bored here with this, I'm hoping somewhere you've got something. Is this some big brained "If you are not praising Hillary you are for Trump" kinda thinking? Magical.

A star slate codex post (A dude who isn't a Trump supporter) going over the actual humans who voted for Trump and trying to accurately represent them. OMG, Could there be any worse form of Fascism? /s

Seriously, this is your big smoking gun? I humanized some people instead of dehumanized them by treating them fairly?

Not an endorsement of Trump, also I criticize correctly the whole Mueller bugaboo that later turned out to be bogus. Man you bringing up my greatest hits, its like a recollection of how the real MMO-OC GenOT saying should be "Theo is always right".

Lol, I never even mention Trump in that post, seriously, Machismo? Who is your dealer? I clearly am smoking the wrong stuff. Also I criticize both parties in that one. I point out that both parties aren't friendly towards the poor in their rhetoric and outlook.

I, Theo, Correctly point out, via citing BuzzFeed (Not exactly a Trumpian news outlet) that a lot of Democrats fell for a hoax in their deep and earnest desire to OWN THE DRUMPF, were increasingly zanny and willing to believe just about anything making them way too easy to troll and make out to be fools because they could and would believe any bait place in front of them they think will lead to them "OWNING THE CHUDS!"

This reminds me in a microcosm kind of way about how there was this poster named "Miss Koboyashi" whom unbeknownst to me; a ton of posters here earnestly believed and talked to as me. They even called this poster Theo. Theo-Trutherism was big, and I found out only when another poster finally tagged me and I got to have a laugh riot at this and rightly point out how it was nonsense. Sometimes people grow to hate someone so much, they make that person like a totem and out to be more than they are, AND more accurately in this case, are willing to believe anything about that person.

Here, it is pointed out that a hoax managed to deceive a lot of well meaning but blinded by their anger over losing an election. I warned against going for stuff that was too good to be true. Heck I've done that, we all fall for things that sound like they are true because they represent "Those enemies" so perfectly. Heck look at the Jussie Smollet incident or the Covington Catholic High School kids incident, people WANTED to believe those stories, but once proven to be hoaxes they made the people who instantly believed it look bad.

Lol, I cite a MATT STOLLER piece and that is support for Trump? Dude pointed out that a lot of the generic average Democrats with their "Love trumps Hate" schtick are hypocrites and acting like this is toxic and that is saying "Vote for Trump?"

I don't believe the RussiaGhazi, yeah, that also isn't me saying "Vote for Trump" or "I endorse the presidency of Donald J. Trump". Also man, it feels good being vindicated later on about RussiaGhazi, it literally led nowhere and produced nothing except talking points used by Centrist democrats against Leftists. In the end all that shit even helped Trump politically and become a weapon for corporate democrats to maintain their control over that party.

I, correctly, point out that for Democrats to start winning elections they have to first even be willing to admit to defeat in the first place. Which in the thick paranoid frenzy of "It was all a Russian plot!" hysteria it is impossible to even broker the thoughts and ideas that "Maybe we didn't campaign good". Also I never mention voting for Trump here either.

I correctly and factually cite that the DNC lawyers state they were under no obligation to even run an impartial or fair primary isn't some big endorsement of Trump either. I think so far the pattern of why I get flamed so much is I say things a bunch of people don't want to hear, I don't say a lot of comforting things and people get freaking ANGRY about that.

I cite Eric R. Weinstein; so far the only vaguely "Right" link other than the NYPost you got me on and even Eric R. Weinstein didn't vote for Trump nor does he advise one do so, but he does correctly point out the media uses interesting vocabulary for their descriptions of his actions, lexicon not used with past presidents, even past presidents who did similar or even the same things.

Lol, I don't even mention Trump here, and merely point out that with Tom Perez as chair, the DNC is sticking with the Clintonite consensus. This doesn't even mention Trump.

I cite Glenn Greenwald (Not exactly your Trumpian source) and question if cozying up, valorizing and lionizing CIA, FBI and other deep state apparatchiks is a good thing and rightly point out the immorality of say wanting a coup d'etat to overturn the 2016 election. That isn't really an endorsement of Trump. I mean its an opposition to state power and saying "Hey guys, hating Trump is fine, giving the CIA a loving kiss on the trouser snake in hopes that big daddy covert agents overthrow the election is probably a bad way to handle this" is not exactly a Pro-Trump sentiment.

Welp, Brendan O’Neill; hey, finally I am citing someone legitimately disgusting... a Libertarian. Yuck. I will repent for that for sure. But his point, and mine, which is valid, is that Trump is not uniquely evil or awful given the broad scope of history and horrible things American Presidents have done.

I freely admit to have a cold frozen heart of black ice, yes, I made fun of someone setting themselves on fire to protest an election, not even a military coup, but just an election between two flavors of center-right to more right. Yeah, I am a cunt, but didn't say "Vote for Trump. However, re-reading that, some of my puns were legit funny and I am smiling once again. That first page is goldmine of morbid puns.

So to recap your quick copy pasta of randomly selected old threads:

I have some conservative social/cultural opinions; oddly none of those threads you even cited, Sad. Even at that its not even that Right-Wing of views. I have Marxist views on economics. I basically can summarize all these threads in one little package.

Basically; like a mom who thinks her fourteen year old daughter going on a date with a twenty five year old man with a "No RAGRATS!" Tattoo on his chest and a backwards baseball cap whose name is Kyle, and rightly points out all the mistakes this course of action will take, you are the insane person saying I must hate my daughter for not wanting her to blow that man ten years older than her or for daring to suggest its a bad idea. And when she comes back, single, knocked up and on drugs, you are the person suggesting I'm not supportive enough for rightly pointing out that her course of action was partly how she ended up here and she needs to be better than this. Basically I point out that Democrats are making a lot of mistakes, and critique Neo-Liberalism and call on Leftists to act better and that is a great and terrible sin. I've done the same for Conservatism when it comes to Free-Market Fundamentalism or militarism and zionism, but alas those threads don't get much attention here.

The key insight and skill I have politically is that I've spent the last four years mostly ignoring Donald Trump. In my view he is the least important thing right now. For people for whom Donald Trump has been the sole single thing that occupies their entire mental space for the last four years this must be genuinely aggravating.

Dude, I really hope you have actual evidence, but so far this trip down memory lane is kinda fun; though sad that you are taking the time for this or not even doing that good of a search.

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Sorry, but only Marianne Williamson, Crystal Queen is good now. Alas Tulsi endorsed Biden.

You are welcome for that mountain of evidence against you. Seriously, it was awesome. And, to answer your next question: Yes, I do feel pretty damn good about myself.

**Theodarzna** · 2020-04-02, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by Machismo

You are welcome for that mountain of evidence against you. Seriously, it was awesome. And, to answer your next question: Yes, I do feel pretty damn good about myself.

So to recap you have zero citations of me declaring I am a Trump Voter.

Dude, I was hoping you were going to bring something. Who knows I don't know EVERYTHING I've ever said here, and do like liquor so who knows. But alas, I am disappointed, you promised to bring the thunder and so far not even a static shock. Sad.

**Machismo** · 2020-04-02, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by Theodarzna

So to recap you have zero citations of me declaring I am a Trump Voter.

Dude, I was hoping you were going to bring something. Who knows I don't know EVERYTHING I've ever said here, and do like liquor so who knows. But alas, I am disappointed, you promised to bring the thunder and so far not even a static shock. Sad.

Nope, to recap, I gave you literally dozens of sources to back up my claim. Your desire to move goalposts is not really my problem. A Trumpster is a Trumpster, and any Trumpster who tries to pull any type of morality card in regards to accusations of sexual assault, is simply adorable.

Enjoy all that evidence!!!

**Theodarzna** · 2020-04-02, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by Machismo

Nope, to recap, I gave you literally dozens of sources to back up my claim. Your desire to move goalposts is not really my problem. A Trumpster is a Trumpster, and any Trumpster who tries to pull any type of morality card in regards to accusations of sexual assault, is simply adorable.

Enjoy all that evidence!!!

Citing random posts that don't prove your point. You simply picked old threats, copy paste the links and I debunked them all. Hell some don't even mention Trump. So not only was your list not even that good (You didn't even mention my spicy stuff, just criticism of the DNC/Hillary Clinton and the Mainstream Media and CIA/FBI stuff). Which was both lame and uninteresting.

You failed to prove that point; heck you can't find anything even that interesting. Sad, I was really hoping you'd come to the table with some juicy stuff. Batting that down only took time because you just were hoping to Gallop Gish and throw more stuff than I'd bother to respond to.

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Originally Posted by Milchshake

Can you find the quote where they bragged about " coming from wealth, and expecting to live in wealth"?

While I can for sure say what you are looking for, its probably here somewhere where I state that I grew up fairly well off in a thread where I advocate for say Universal Basic Income and that everyone should get a Universal Basic Income.

So.... basically I mention it to counter Spectral whose core thing was "You are just lazy and want free money for something!", to respond "Well I personally don't care because I'm not really financially worse off" That is you know, the crux of the thread. Basically to defend UBI as a concept.

Who knew UBI was now evil Fascist malarkey. XD

**Machismo** · 2020-04-02, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by Theodarzna

Citing random posts that don't prove your point. You simply picked old threats, copy paste the links and I debunked them all. Hell some don't even mention Trump. So not only was your list not even that good (You didn't even mention my spicy stuff, just criticism of the DNC/Hillary Clinton and the Mainstream Media and CIA/FBI stuff). Which was both lame and uninteresting.

You failed to prove that point; heck you can't find anything even that interesting. Sad, I was really hoping you'd come to the table with some juicy stuff. Batting that down only took time because you just were hoping to Gallop Gish and throw more stuff than I'd bother to respond to.

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While I can for sure say what you are looking for, its probably here somewhere where I state that I grew up fairly well off in a thread where I advocate for say Universal Basic Income and that everyone should get a Universal Basic Income.

So.... basically I mention it to counter Spectral whose core thing was "You are just lazy and want free money for something!", to respond "Well I personally don't care because I'm not really financially worse off" That is you know, the crux of the thread. Basically to defend UBI as a concept.

Who knew UBI was now evil Fascist malarkey. XD

It's weird how those "random" posts of yours had you constantly shilling for Trump, pushing bullshit for Trump, and selling Trump's narrative for him.

I love that Trumpsters, of all people, think that trying to label Biden as a sexual deviant gives them any credibility at all. As for your "spicier stuff," I assume that's just more plagiarized drivel. After all, you do get caught plagiarizing quite a bit, don't you?

You can claim you debunked them, but the evidence is right there, for everyone to see. Enjoy all the evidence!!!

But, to get back onto the topic:

The Democrats should not listen to Trumspters who seek to muddy the waters about morality issues. There's no need to do anything other than laugh in their faces, and call them out for the liars and disingenuous people that they are.

**Theodarzna** · 2020-04-02, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by Jettisawn

Hillary had higher favorables at this time in the race. Biden is making the same mistake and not even tempting to secure a huge portion of the democratic base, Perhaps there a chance Biden can do better with GOP never Trumpers, but I don't see Biden getting too many of them especially among Boomers. Trump stands a decent chance at winning if he wins that demographic again.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...der-education/

The economy and the huge corporate bailout that was just passed will play big roll in the election and both parties will share that decision just like the last bail out.

Had you asked me a few days into the initial crisis, I'd have said Trump is utterly fucked. But given the Dems lackluster as hell response, the fact that even the party insiders are whispering about replacing Biden with Cuomo. The fact that the party basically hasn't come out swinging, and even for a few days let the narrative get away on UBI by basically wanting everyone to fill out a Fasfa for a small check.

Even Sanders, sorry to say, flubbed this shit, and barely did anything. This became a HUGE oligarch give away and alas not even our so-called Lefty leaders like AOC, Sanders and Omar ect are saying using their huge platforms and email lists to call for Rent Strikes, General Strikes, or anything. Hell Brittney Spears has taken a bigger stance on this than elected officials.

No party seriously wins, but somehow Trump has so far come out without a big fat L on this one. He managed to so far even BS his way out of this mess, despite unironically starting to move in the "Lets kill grandma to sate Mammon's desires!" camp of Oligarchical psychopathy.

How the Democrats recapture the initiative is hard. They'd have to somehow run against a Bailout they voted for; and actually seriously go all out for big ticket social programs and health care which the current preferred standard barer will never do since the Democrats oppose Universal Health Care now.

**NED funded** · 2020-04-02, 11:45 PM

Young people couldn't be bothered to vote for Bernie why should they be trusted to vote for Biden or anyone else really??

Biden is right in giving them the metaphorical middle finger

**Machismo** · 2020-04-02, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by Theodarzna

Had you asked me a few days into the initial crisis, I'd have said Trump is utterly fucked. But given the Dems lackluster as hell response, the fact that even the party insiders are whispering about replacing Biden with Cuomo. The fact that the party basically hasn't come out swinging, and even for a few days let the narrative get away on UBI by basically wanting everyone to fill out a Fasfa for a small check.

Even Sanders, sorry to say, flubbed this shit, and barely did anything. This became a HUGE oligarch give away and alas not even our so-called Lefty leaders like AOC, Sanders and Omar ect are saying using their huge platforms and email lists to call for Rent Strikes, General Strikes, or anything. Hell Brittney Spears has taken a bigger stance on this than elected officials.

No party seriously wins, but somehow Trump has so far come out without a big fat L on this one. He managed to so far even BS his way out of this mess, despite unironically starting to move in the "Lets kill grandma to sate Mammon's desires!" camp of Oligarchical psychopathy.

How the Democrats recapture the initiative is hard. They'd have to somehow run against a Bailout they voted for; and actually seriously go all out for big ticket social programs and health care which the current preferred standard barer will never do since the Democrats oppose Universal Health Care now.

You sure do find yourself defending Trump a great deal in this thread.

Trump botched it. Everyone knows he botched it. But, you Trumpsters don't care. His racism didn't stop you. the sexual assaults didn't stop you.

**Theodarzna** · 2020-04-02, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by NED funded

Young people couldn't be bothered to vote for Bernie why should they be trusted to vote for Biden or anyone else really??

Biden is right in giving them the metaphorical middle finger

His inevitable defeat in 2020 though will be fun though. I mean a less good less capable and more poorly run Hillary campaign with an even more worse and tone deaf non-platform isn't exactly inspired.

But I appreciate the honesty. "Fuck those kids, I don't care and I don't want their votes" is at least an honest statement.

**cubby** · 2020-04-02, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by Theodarzna

His inevitable defeat in 2020 though will be fun though. I mean a less good less capable and more poorly run Hillary campaign with an even more worse and tone deaf non-platform isn't exactly inspired.

But I appreciate the honesty. "Fuck those kids, I don't care and I don't want their votes" is at least an honest statement.

It's like you quote words, and then don't read them. Don't you understand that "those kids" didn't vote for the progressive savior Sanders? Don't you see that whatever is keeping the young crowd out of the voter box isn't a platform or whatever you try and pawn off? It doesn't matter who is running - they aren't voting, and we don't know why.

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