9.0 General Discussion

[FenixAU]

Beta servers are down for the new build, btw.

[FluFF]

Another wave, another lack of an invite lol.

Over the years I have come to peace that I will never see any new beta expansion content till the pre-patch PTR goes up.

[TheFirstOnes]

Ugh...

Let's check and see...

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I hate this...

[AliceCattx]

Over the years I have come to peace that I will never see any new beta expansion content till the pre-patch PTR goes up.

I had tech alpha for WoD and beta for Legion, didn't get BfA alpha or beta access though.

[Adoxe]

It's random wave or directed at people from top mythic guilds?

Everyone who I know with 12/12 mythic got it today except 2 people, so I'm assuming that's the case because of raid testing coming up.

[MadamSerenity]

I have been in every beta or alpha in some capacity since Wrath, so I am hoping to continue the trend at some point with Shadowlands.

[DemonDays]

Sulfuras is ilvl 29 on the beta, am I missing something? Why would Sulfuron Hammer affect Sulfuras' ilvl?

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/item...nd-of-ragnaros

I mean, I know you "combine" the items, but it isn't like the Eye of Sulfuras is an enchant to Sulfuron Hammer - it literally just turns the item into another.

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Yep, pretty awful. I seem to remember it was something about not making people relearn their classes mid-expansion, so that if X talent is useful for Y situations (even if Y is "never") - people learn that, and that holds true for the rest of the expansion, and Blizzard just makes changes that has as little impact as possible to gameplay.

Not sure where I heard that, but it makes sense, even if I personally think it's a terrible decision. Talent changes used to be what I looked forward to the most with patches.

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This doesn't make any sense at all though. That's like saying we can't have new animations added to the game until old graphical issues are fixed. The game would progress at a snail pace with such an ideal.

Fine-tuning is obviously not going to be based on broken and untuned classes.

Blizzard made the claim that they don't do "big changes" mid expansion..... Anymore.

Because you know. Every expansion for the last 15 years has had "big changes" with many specs getting re-worked mid expansion.



I can understand justification for not wanting to do total reworks. But they literally promised they would do that for Enhance, Elemental and Shadow in 8.1... Then they delivered some piss weak tuning that could have been done in a hotfix.


Talent tuning is not a "big change". It's literally bare bones fucking balance. How can they be so lazy. Two fucking years.

[Raetary]

Spirit healers finally got their HD makeover.

[gunner_recall]

It is Wednesday, my dudes

[Raetary]

Anything new on the customization front?

[DeicideUH]

Anything new on the customization front?

Not for now. Very few datamined strings and assets so far.

I'm waiting servers to go up so I can check it myself.

[Yarathir]

Anyone else interested in the models for those 'newplayer' items?

A HD updated to more simpler weapons sounds really good for people who don't want to look like they're using Final Fantasy weapons.

[Adoxe]

Anything new on the customization front?

Only a few datamined strings/textures popping up on twitter but nothing significant so far.

[DemonDays]

Have you ever been in LFR? That's the highest most players aspire to according to Blizzard, and the vast majority of people in LFR is barely even fit for it. Most of them don't even visit WoW forums, official or otherwise, never mind anything more specialised.

Alternately, go take a look at the unique user numbers of those sites, then compare them to reasonable estimates of the userbase. The latter is several times bigger.

DemonDays is the one making claims with no real evidence here.

Good attempt at calling me out to try and deflect from the fact your entire post history is baseless claims in the pursuit of defending Blizzard. You're exactly the type of poster to call someone out for subjectivity then throw your own subjective opinion or experience in there as evidence.



"According to Blizzard" isn't evidence champ. Nor would I believe Blizzard unless they backed it up with cold hard facts. They've certainly never lied before have they?



Also - several people have already called you out. 39% have completed Heroic?

[Yarathir]

Yeah, I'd love some HD simple weapons. Kul Tiras had a few

Really overdue for some HD simple type weapons.

On the other side but not totally other side of the spectrum, Maw 2h sword

[Varodoc]

Why is there a Great Sea map? Does this have something to do with Shadowlands or the Scourge Invasion in the pre-patch?

[DemonDays]

i agree for why master loot was removed but not so much the rng aspect

blizzard doesnt know the solution to power creep because they refuse to lower the power gap between tiers
removing master loot along with the changes they have made to loot in bfa shows that they just want to slow the gearing process down by about 50%

GCD change...yeah blizzard didnt know what they were doing because fire mage got like 3 seconds out of their CD at first before adjustments and heroism was on the gcd as well

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you must be an elitist try hard top 1% mythic world first raider if you dont think that slowing down the gameplay and making somespecs almost unplayable without haste and changes to the CDs where some players left the class or even the game was a good thing for the game

obviously players loved the bfa playstyle

It's so obvious to me that everyone loved BfA and it was a great success. I mean if you look across ScrollsofLore, wowhead, Reddit, MMO-Champ, Facebook, instagram, YouTube and in real life interactions - everyone LOVED it.


The GCD change is one of the most out of touch things they've ever done to this game. Which is hilarious really when the list of out of touch changes is so long.


Unholy DK takes 12+ seconds to start it's rotation. 6-7 GCDs.

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That is a huge problem imo...but will likely be on purpose to give every class,spec, covenant, race what ever to be strong in a certaint part of the game, it works in theory I guess...
But the hard facts are that one will be better then the rest and that makes it unfun.

Heaven forbid you want to play multiple forms of content and actually do well in them.


EG. DKs Necrolord - Abomination Limb. This is clearly a PvP ability. So will DKs damage be tuned around this ability in PvP since it adds so much CC?

Will all DKs who don't have abomination limb perform worse in PvP having their damage scaled down?

Or will DKs who have it just be overpowered in PvP?


It's a fucking balancing nightmare. You can't balance classes/specs in certain types of content when all of them will have WILDLY different abilities and capabilities.

[Hellspawn]

Why is there a Great Sea map? Does this have something to do with Shadowlands or the Scourge Invasion in the pre-patch?

World of Warcraft: Waterworld

[Yhvh]

Really overdue for some HD simple type weapons.

On the other side but not totally other side of the spectrum, Maw 2h sword

@keyboardturn twitter datamined several shield textures that would go into those, there's Lordaeron crest, Scarlet Crusade crest, etc.

I'd love though, if there were new armor items to go together with these weapons. Currently they use the basic BfA pvp models... I'm not sure if it's intended or if it's just placeholder, since those very same models were told to be available in the BfA pvp vendor with the xpac launch.

[Raetary]

I need this.

I'll trade in my unicorns just for this.