All the progress and 13+years goes down the toilet

[Sinaa]

I don't really care about the number value of my level, but thanks to faster leveling - it will be MUCH faster, if you can get 10>50 done in one expansion - my past efforts to max out 11 characters will be greatly devalued. (unless ofc 1>10 takes days, but how likely is that?) I'm naturally not pleased..

[Smarmy Orc]

It's my job to figure out the intricacies of Blizzard's plan? What the fuck? I don't get my rocks off nitpicking everything Blizzard does, but a level squish is a big deal and it's their job to describe every detail to their player base.

It doesn't seem that complicated to understand tbh.

[Malikath]

Why will Blizzard just wipe all the character progression and all these years just goes down the toilet. 120 to 50 is just big slap to the face and all these years feel now pointless. Why not just stat squish?

so losing almost half of our skills in some cases in WoD wasn't a bother for you? but meaningless numbers rewarding only basic effort are?
the only thing i care about is that the characters who're lvl 50 remain lvl 50 after the squish and aren't reduced to say 24-25 which would waste effort.

that said i hate every squish they've done so far, all it does is pander to small-minded fools who can't contextualize larger numbers by contracting them and have no idea how squishing numbers causes loss from smaller multipliers if the base isn't large enough to fully express them in a whole integer.

but then again this is a community that relies on addons like mr.fixit to do BASIC calculation for them, i shouldn't be surprised they've ruined the game in retail and again in classic.
it's time more then the retail devs were replaced by the classic devs, the same needs to happen with the player-base.

[gobarj]

Why will Blizzard just wipe all the character progression and all these years just goes down the toilet. 120 to 50 is just big slap to the face and all these years feel now pointless. Why not just stat squish?

What progression are you losing? If you're so obsessed with the character level, stick a post-it note over your level that says '130' or whatever. Better, use a UI mod where you can modify the level it shows you...

People find the most ridiculous things to complain about, then again, it's people like you that will buy it regardless and still complain.

[Huggykaze]

This is ridiculous, dude.

I've played since literally beta, so way longer than you, and I think the level squish is great. It's absolutely not a "slap in the face". It's a necessary reduction, and completely sensible. If you're really concerned about it, I think you need to take a long, hard look at why some numbers are concerning you so very much.

It's not a slap in the face, but it's quite problematic.

Leveling will become even less important than now. I mean, it's gotta have to be a lot faster if you want to fit 50 levels in content of 10 levels. No way you can make it feel like 120 or even 80 levels. This means that any rewards you receive for leveling will feel much less satisfying.

Then there's the case of potentially being locked into one of multiple stories told in WoW. If I love Hellfire Peninsula, but hate Terrokar Forest and Nagrand, I seemingly won't be able to just skip them for, say, Icecrown and Shadowmoon Valley. As a player for 15 years it doesn't hurt me as much as it will hurt a new player who will not see all these stories and will not understand all the lore until they've leveled... 8 characters from 1 to 60.

I am all for a squish, but the way they seem to be approaching it is just abysmally bad. It doesn't solve any of the leveling problems, it makes them worse if anything. Just remove the thing, seriously.

[sam86]

You dont lose power. You only have smaller number for level so the levels actually matter again. Read more about the system befote yoi start bitching

did u miss the part where we had far more spells to use during MoP than now? Or u started playing just this exp?
We lost power, we lost lvls, we lost abilities and talents, if number change doesn't reduce power, why even do it then
reminds me with stats squish and all the sh8t it did specially in early days in older raids, heck even in BFA squish it f8cked BRF farmers for a while before fixing

How will you lose anything? Literaly nothing changes besides the number in your portrait. Your not reverting levels... Not really. 120 becomes 50, and all other numbers are adjusted accordingly...

already answered

Elder Scrolls: Oblivion

U don't lose anything in oblivion, just enemies get powerful for any point u spend in anything, this is major difference
in wow they f8cked u from 120 to 50, in oblivion mobs scale with u, like how wow is doing since Legion, also in oblivion they scale for anything u gain, even if u gain +5 flower picking, oblivion is trademark btw for how to f8ck a rpg game, also i bet wow will kick it of that throne soon
Still : in oblivion by time at end u don't lose a single ability u gained at start, and u gain a lot more abilities, in wow they butchered talent system from cata, then butchered even basic abilities since wod

You don't lose anything because of level squish. All they change is the number.

then why they doing it if it doesn't make any loss ?
if it is just number why they doing it then? the answer is because it isn't just number but actual regress so the game doesn't sound daunting for new players, in other words they f8cking old players for hope of new ones

In essennce we are currently only level 120 in number only....all our stats are prob roughly burning crusade levels

[Kithelle]

Honestly what I want too.

I refuse to play bfa because the grind just isnt rewarding. at least in classic I always know what im working towards.

If they would simplify the loot system and take all the rng bullshit out i would be right back on board

When has a grind ever been "rewarding"? These grinds have offered the same old stuff over and over, from vanilla to bfa and things wont change now.

[HCLM]

did u miss the part where we had far more spells to use during MoP than now? Or u started playing just this exp?
We lost power, we lost lvls, we lost abilities and talents, if number change doesn't reduce power, why even do it then
reminds me with stats squish and all the sh8t it did specially in early days in older raids, heck even in BFA squish it f8cked BRF farmers for a while before fixing

We are talking about level squish in Shadowlands. Why you start talking about MoP out of nowhere.

[Kithelle]

Does it mean it will be on a challenging level that disabled chimpanzees can clear all the content while playing with their tongue? Shit...

But tbh and back to topic, it is the only actual thing that felt good in classic. You get a level up, it felt good, you had your talent point even though it was mostly useless and could spent it.

Great change.

People who shit on BFA are gonna shit on Shadowlands...a level squish isn't going to change that.

[Deferionus]

How can you be excited? I preordered the xpac and it said I'll get boost to lvl 120 and right after I heard they'll wipe 120 characters to 50. That is just big scam... they should mention it in SHOP that characters will squish to 50 so people can think twice if they'll buy the expansion.
But I guess by not mentioning that they'll get more preorders...

*sigh* they will basically make each level take more time so if you look at 1 to 120 and 1 to 50 they will take roughly the same amount of hours. Maybe somewhat less. Lvl 50 wont be as fast as it is on live. It isnt a scam.

[sam86]

We are talking about level squish in Shadowlands. Why you start talking about MoP out of nowhere.

i talk about feeling of regress that is starting since ages, lvl reduction is regress to make the game less daunting for new players, which means they sh8t on old loyal players and reward their loyalty with more sh8t
and i gave example of other regress that happened in game history too

[Cthulhu fhtagn]

Numbers are just supposed to tell you your power in comparison to the surrounding world, it's not like everything else stays 120. This doesnt matter at all if you can look at numbers at any relation to their surroundings.

[MalfLFT]

Game resets effectively every 2 years since TBC, so who fucking cares?

Correction: Every patch

[Ealyssa]

then why change it?

To make leveling less daunting to potential new players ? Isn't that really really reaaaaaaally obvious ?

The leveling experience needed an overhaul, here it is. Still doesn't change a single drop of what was done the last 15 years... You played, you had fun. The memories aren't erased by blizzard.

[Palapop]

It's my job to figure out the intricacies of Blizzard's plan? What the fuck? I don't get my rocks off nitpicking everything Blizzard does, but a level squish is a big deal and it's their job to describe every detail to their player base.

Anyone who uses brain or has 2% logic - would know what and how it will happen.

And even if a person does not have these abilities, he should wait for more info. And not to rant on forums.

[Fistfighter]

Why will Blizzard just wipe all the character progression and all these years just goes down the toilet. 120 to 50 is just big slap to the face and all these years feel now pointless. Why not just stat squish?

It's just a number, the character progression is still there.

And don't give me "blizzard allowing me to add 10 number each year" is a character progression, it's not.

I don't understand the level of kid you have to be to be actually salty about a visual change like this.

[Kyphael]

Anyone who uses brain or has 2% logic - would know what and how it will happen.

And even if a person does not have these abilities, he should wait for more info. And not to rant on forums.

It's not ranting as much as a paying customer giving their opinion on a discussion forum. Your "sit down and shut up" attitude is counter intuitive to that. If you can't handle reading other's opinions without insulting their intelligence then maybe a discussion forum just isn't your thing.

[letgoit]

If you're mad about a level squish, you are an idiot. They're not taking anything away from you.

[Gratlim]

I agree, especially after leveling one of every class to 120... what's even the purpose of a new 120 boost if it's getting squished to 50? What the hell level are my level 80 twinks going to be!?

I have tons of twinks as well (all brackets). I did not think about that but now i am pretty scared they are all going to be wasted like they did for the twinks 101 in BFA.
The safe place for twinks is Classic i guess. But no 70s, 80s etc there sadly.

[HoodKazekage]

You keep the same skills....Your character is just as powerful as before the only thing changing is a number beside your characters....If you are seriously concerned about this then I fear your problems originate from a little friend(very little) that is in your pants.