Opinion on Chronicle now that we see it in a different light

[MrSaggins]

But people who MADE Warcraft Lore should've been omniscient in their own realm. It's like saying that God can't know everything. It's a fantasy world after all, you cannot compare it to the real life.

Although I didn't like the idea of the Chronicles, I wanted to have some suprises/mysteries in WoW, it should've been done much better. From the view of the people who made the game.

Well I can certainly agree that they should have all of that covered internally at Blizzard for the sake of a consistent narrative haha. But I would never want that perfect, unquestionable certainty and clarity presented to the players for them to point to and end all debate and dispel all mystery. The Dungeon Master’s curtain is up for a reason.

[Eazy]

I cannot respond to you as to why i think your opinion is wrong.
This video does however.

You can't really say that my opinion is wrong, because it isn't even an opinion. It's like... statement.

If you can take the time to watch it you should. History is always written from the perspective of the winner its always been like this.

...but that's clearly wrong. Blizzard wasn't writting anything they had no comprehension about. They are masters of their own game, they are the writters, they should've known everything.

There's a difference between saying "World War II started in 1939" and "World War II started in 1939 because Third Reich wanted to take over the world", the first one is a FACT and the second one is OPINION. And as I wrote above - I thought that chronicles were written with a pure, definitive lore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBAeV2KJa9A

I'm not really going to watch 17 minutes of a random guy on YT, seriously. Especially if I know what I'm talking about.

Well I can certainly agree that they should have all of that covered internally at Blizzard for the sake of a consistent narrative haha. But I would never want that perfect, unquestionable certainty and clarity presented to the players for them to point to and end all debate and dispel all mystery. The Dungeon Master’s curtain is up for a reason.

Yes, and I agree to the fullest. I loved the mystery of Old Gods, Nyalotha and other things in WoW.
Chronicles should've been written as a journal of some kind of traveller on Azeroth/Draenor etc. Just like it was with the Book of Cain, where you clearly knew that it was written by his own perspective.

[TheFirstOnes]

@Mehrunes

Are you saying that I claimed that? Or are you wondering who said that the Titans wrote the chronicles, just like me? Because, they didn't. OP is just using Pyromancer like theories to project his opinion out there.

[horbindr]

i don't really get why they went through all the hassle of setting up the void to then not use that setup for at least 2 expansions.

instead now here we are about to fight n'zoth, but intead of it being "the first unleashed old god ever amg this is crazy" its "pff an old god, not even a real void lord, get outta here".

they must have known they were going in the death direction when they were writing chronicle, so why not throw in a little bit about that and save the void lord reveal for a more fitting time?

[Zulkhan]

A bullshit excuse for a bullshit move is what i see. Completely disrespectful for all people who actually bought it.

This. If they had the balls, they should have given that narrative from the start. Instead they first marketed Chronicles as the ultimate Warcraft encyclopedia, now are backtracking so that they can now rip that piece of paper to pieces everytime they need to write new stories (as they always did and still do with the rest of their lore material, within or outside the game).

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Releasing Chronicles was an idiotic thing that has done nothing good for the game.


Why would you release something like that before the story is over? It was literally rendered pointless the same expansion it was released in.

There was nothing wrong with Chronicles, as a concept. Warcraft's history needed some cleaning up, it was a mess. That being said, they should have mostly stuck to mere historical recording that they should never retcon.

[Destinas]

It doesn't change anything for me. Most of the settings spoken about (Azeroth, Nihilam, Draenor, etc) were directly impacted by the Titans and/or their creations, with very few other topics spoken about that didn't concern them. So, it's not really that different. There was always room for other lore to be added, and I don't really expect they will change many fundamental things about the lore.

[bloodmoth13]

Do you like that the Titans wrote chronicle? How does this change what you think about the book?

Im curious to see what you guys think. Im happy to know the titans wrote chronicle, it was always sketch to me


EDIT: I see alot of people adding no, and ill explain why I think yes

Alot of people dont like that it was sold as a book that knew everything, but I have some counter arguments - first off, why would blizzard sell a book that knew everything about the wc lore in the past. They want to keep some things surprising for us. Secondly, if you read closely you could always tell chronicle was not 100% true. There was always some bias and stuff the Titans left out. The fact that chronicle cant tell you where the shadowlands came from, and never mentions Argus is proof enough that chronicle was never omnipotent

Completely agree. It essentially catalogues all azeroth history up till the present, but there is no greater entities for light or undead, it just acknowledged that they are powerful entities. It was never meant to catalogue everything for all time, only way it could do that is if blizz decided to never progress the story. Its purpose was to organize the foundations and laws for their universe to build future stories upon, not to restrict future stories to solely what is only already there.

[logmantv]

I'm not really going to watch 17 minutes of a random guy on YT, seriously. Especially if I know what I'm talking about.

It's fucking Pyromancer. Big wow Lore nerd that's been saying this shit for over 1-2 years.

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@Mehrunes

Are you saying that I claimed that? Or are you wondering who said that the Titans wrote the chronicles, just like me? Because, they didn't. OP is just using Pyromancer like theories to project his opinion out there.

They did confirm at Blizzcon at the Q&A that it was written from the Titan's perspective. Pyromancer even yelled out "Titans!" from the crowd and the guy answering the question said yes it was.

[iamthedevil]

If it's anything like real history, we are going to find out that the Titan's conveniently left some important events out. With that said, I like the fact it's by the Titans.

[TheFirstOnes]

It's fucking Pyromancer. Big wow Lore nerd that's been saying this shit for over 1-2 years.

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They did confirm at Blizzcon at the Q&A that it was written from the Titan's perspective. Pyromancer even yelled out "Titans!" from the crowd and the guy answering the question said yes it was.

Just because it's from their perspective, that doesn't mean they wrote it.

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If it's anything like real history, we are going to find out that the Titan's conveniently left some important events out. With that said, I like the fact it's by the Titans.

There are many things in the cosmology we haven't seen yet, anyway.

[Shiza]

I cannot respond to you as to why i think your opinion is wrong.
This video does however.
If you can take the time to watch it you should. History is always written from the perspective of the winner its always been like this. Despite the titans being strong how can they know what happens in the void for example?
As this video shows Chris Metzen was telling this to us for a long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBAeV2KJa9A

You are wrong though. It was supposed to be the definitive guide for the World of Warcraft Universe which is even used internally by the writers to keep the story straight and avoid unnecessary retcons, not a fictional historical document inside the Universe. Blizzard objectively scammed their customers with their advertisement and statements about what chronicles is.

[Good ol Stroggylos]

It would be nicer if we knew from the beginning. Like a dwarf based on the archeology findings, studies of titan facilities and the disks of norgannon or even kadgar based on the books in karazhan wrote the history. Then it would be easier for them to go back and say objective/incomplete/false etc.
For example Tolkien made sure for us to know that the 2 major works were written down by hobbit. They are open to changes and additions that way...


Regardless I guess the take home message is that future expansions may have to change things the way we know them and they introduced that aspect...for example the naaru or the titans being benevolent, void being evul, elune nature etc are up to debate and exploring now

[Fistfighter]

Chronicle was such a shit idea from the beggining.

Like, you want to capsule the lore of a game that's known for coming with new shit all the time? That's fucking stupid and completly contra productive.

[Seylene]

I don't terribly mind, but I would have rather it been by the Loremaster or Narrative designers notes and be a more factual answer based series over any form of PoV. Kind of like lifting the curtain away from any of the influence of the world itself.

[Lochton]

Do you like that the Titans wrote chronicle? How does this change what you think about the book?

Im curious to see what you guys think. Im happy to know the titans wrote chronicle, it was always sketch to me


EDIT: I see alot of people adding no, and ill explain why I think yes

Alot of people dont like that it was sold as a book that knew everything, but I have some counter arguments - first off, why would blizzard sell a book that knew everything about the wc lore in the past. They want to keep some things surprising for us. Secondly, if you read closely you could always tell chronicle was not 100% true. There was always some bias and stuff the Titans left out. The fact that chronicle cant tell you where the shadowlands came from, and never mentions Argus is proof enough that chronicle was never omnipotent

Honestly, I like the idea. It leaves opening for development. The Titans currently doesn't know about everything going on..

[Kyduk]

Seems to me that some people don't really understand the meaning of "Definitive".

I don't see it as meaning "The text in this book is 100% true and will never be retcon'd". What it most likely means is more along the lines of "This is the most complete book regarding lore that you'll find", so it doesn't guarantee you that it isn't biased.

I mean, it's not like any actual history books start up with "This is history as seen by X", while we all know that usually, history is written by the victors. You rarely see any WWII History books based on the Nazi's POV, although it could happen and people who aren't prepared to see that POV would be shocked by the inaccuracies compared to what they "know".

In this case, Chronicles was written from the perspective of Titans and their followers. This is how they intended it to be. If there's any retcon that happened after its release, it didn't matter whether it was from the Titans' POV or was completely written subjectively, it just happens nonetheless.

Although, I like to watch Pyromancer's videos and have seen his distrust of Chronicles for a while now, so I guess the surprise was mostly to see that he was right while so many people were making fun of him for it.

[huth]

Plus, how bad is it really that they've made an infinite afterlife from which they can pull any concept they want out of something which originally was a much blander concept?

It's incredibly terrible. Now there's nothing stopping them from poo-pooing all over the hard-earned headcanon of the average forumgoer.

For that matter, did they ever actually factually state that the bleak scape is the only part of the Shadowlands that exists? From my understanding, the Chronicles rarely made claims of being exhaustive on a topic.

[maccajoe]

You are wrong though. It was supposed to be the definitive guide for the World of Warcraft Universe which is even used internally by the writers to keep the story straight and avoid unnecessary retcons, not a fictional historical document inside the Universe. Blizzard objectively scammed their customers with their advertisement and statements about what chronicles is.

No it wsnt....... If you have followed Chornicle you would know its always written from a history perspective. It has been said on twitter and its literally stated on the first page written by metzen.

[ro9ue]

I bought Chronicle as an art book. So I still appreciate it in that regard lol.

[Goldielocks]

Seems to me that some people don't really understand the meaning of "Definitive".

I don't see it as meaning "The text in this book is 100% true and will never be retcon'd". What it most likely means is more along the lines of "This is the most complete book regarding lore that you'll find", so it doesn't guarantee you that it isn't biased.

I mean, it's not like any actual history books start up with "This is history as seen by X", while we all know that usually, history is written by the victors. You rarely see any WWII History books based on the Nazi's POV, although it could happen and people who aren't prepared to see that POV would be shocked by the inaccuracies compared to what they "know".

In this case, Chronicles was written from the perspective of Titans and their followers. This is how they intended it to be. If there's any retcon that happened after its release, it didn't matter whether it was from the Titans' POV or was completely written subjectively, it just happens nonetheless.

Stop comparing non fiction with fiction. That's not how this works. Fiction is not real and so it can be objectively portrayed.

We've already had conformation by one of Chronicle's writers that it was intended as word of god. https://twitter.com/burnzerker/statu...J7aXqpdovYav0Y