View Poll Results: Should they remove void form?

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  • Yes - Go back to pre Legion Shadow

    341 72.86%
  • No - I like/love post Legion Shadow

    127 27.14%
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  1. #201
    I don't care if it stays as long as they add a new Void class.

  2. #202
    I was browsing the Priest forum on the official forums and someone there posted a video of Aboni playing the spec in PvP (he’s a really good spriest on EU)

    https://youtu.be/g6a2Rd6UOTo

    The difference between shadow then and now is crazy. How does a spec get worse as time goes on?
    change can't wait.

  3. #203
    WoD shadow had the most variable playstyle. Imo it should be the base upon which the spec could be improved.
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  4. #204
    What they need to do is make it work again. The whole concept of playing with the void then getting to a point where you "lose control" sounds like what shadow priest should be. Maybe have it be a "cool off period" and instead have it where you're trying to fit as many abilities as possible before capping into voidform. and maybe a percentage of your damage hits allies? and using light based abilities burns your void resource faster so you can go back to attacking the enemy? Just an idea

  5. #205
    I think they should give us more options to drain Insanity, not just the void form.. maybe put some burst abilites that consume insanity instead of generate it, so we can have the two playstyles, one for short/bursting fight add killing and another for single target long slow ramp up boss fights

  6. #206
    Just as long as we don't go back to that DOT weaving garbage from early WoD.

  7. #207
    The entire premise baffles me. In Warlords, I was a Demo lock. The way the demo metamorphosis kit worked was some good fun, sure, but like anything that is good fun, it's also prone to being overpowered and nerfed to the point where fun is no longer viable. Voidform is the exact same premise. I wouldn't be objected to the idea of warlocks getting their meta back and have it be a 3 minute cd, since they really don't have any CD's at the moment like icy veins, arcane power or combustion, like mages, and void form as a similar CD for Shadow priests for the same reason. Will they do that? For warlocks, fuck no, because something about demon hunters, waaah! Shadow priests, I guess it depends if blizzard wants to keep making Spriests either op AF or not viable.
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  8. #208
    I actually wish they could expand on spriest from the MoP beta. They had this really neat idea of Shadowy Apparitions as an active ability, I believe it was a spender for orbs. I don't mind the builder-spender playstyle as long as it's engaging. Give us Devouring Plague as a spender, but not the only one. Shadowy Apparitions could be a spender, Void Tendrils would also be a cool spender, etc... Choosing the right spender for the right situation would keep fights engaging.

    They can even have interactions between the spells (like how DP turned MF into Insanity). Using Devouring Plague could affect your next cast of Shadow Apparitions or Void Tendrils and vice versa. For example, if you want burst AoE, you would do DP > SA (where using DP first makes SA do AoE dmg on the target), or burst single target would be DP > Void Tendrils (where using DP first makes Void Tendrils channel insanity instead of MF). And then just keep going with interactions if it's feasible (i.e. the first cast Void Tendrils first would change how the next cast of DP or SA work, etc...). This would give us meaningful choices in our rotation.

    Of course, anything outside of Void Form is a pipe dream. Blizzard is extremely unlikely to back away from VF - they're basically doubling down on it. I haven't played the game long (played a bit in WotLK but mostly started in MoP), but I've always mained a Priest. I'm extremely disappointed in Blizzard with how they've handled it in BFA that I'm seriously considering playing a different spec from now on.

  9. #209
    I personally really like Void form but i recognize that it's problematic. Or rather it's current implementation is. If the ramp up was much shorter or non existant, i feel like that would solve a lot of shadows problems.

    Imagine a world where Void eruption and Void bolt can both activate and then be used in void form. Rather than being replaced by one another. Perhaps give them a shared CD. Then have Void form provide either a flat damage/haste increase, or have it ramp up and very quickly but with a cap. Say 10 stacks or so.

  10. #210
    Guess it's off the table, but Blizz doing the next best thing! Devouring Plague is back!!
    Returning Ability: Devouring Plague

    We’ve seen a lot of feedback that Void Form can be challenging to utilize to its full potential in some combat situations, such as in Mythic Keystone dungeons on non-boss encounters, or for leveling and doing outdoor content. We tend to agree that Void Form can feel unrewarding in situations where it becomes difficult to maintain efficient insanity generation. Rather than heavily re-designing Void Form, we’re introducing a new tool for these combat situations with the return of Devouring Plague.

    Along with Void Eruption, Devouring Plague will be the only other spell that costs Insanity. Our intent with Devouring Plague is for it to be used on enemies who die quickly, such as common creatures while leveling, or on simple trash pulls, while Void Form is more powerful on longer combat encounters.

    Shadow Word: Death

    Although we’ve seen a lot of excitement around this iconic spell making a return, we have concerns that it wasn’t very clear what its role will be in the modern Shadow Priest kit. Shadow Word: Death has always been intended to be an “execute” ability, so it must be something that is mostly used in the outdoor/leveling content. In the past, Shadow Word: Death found itself in Priest’s core rotations, even being used repeatedly against targets that weren’t about to die.

    For Shadowlands, we don’t intend to add another core button to the Priest’s normal rotation. We want Shadow Word: Death to be situational. However, we feel that it could be a little more relevant in longer encounters such as boss fights. We’ve changed Shadow Word: Death to now deal 100% additional damage to targets at or below 20% health. Priests may now find that they wish to weave Shadow Word: Death into their rotations in some situations.

  11. #211
    I just want the tentacles removed, they're rigged so poorly to the models it looks awful.
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  12. #212
    I like that SW: Smiley is back in the most Blizzard way possible: It's a rotational Execute that you can sometimes use maybe question mark?

  13. #213
    At this point the question isnt should they remove it but why are they so hell bent on keeping it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttylol View Post
    Guess it's off the table, but Blizz doing the next best thing! Devouring Plague is back!!
    Hate to get your hopes up but it not only sucks but not even worth casting.

  14. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by otaXephon View Post
    I like that SW: Smiley is back in the most Blizzard way possible: It's a rotational Execute that you can sometimes use maybe question mark?
    I mean it's also something to cast on the run?

    Now if only they add talent support for Devouring Plague so it's possible to just use that instead of Void Form . . .
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  15. #215
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I mean it's also something to cast on the run?

    Now if only they add talent support for Devouring Plague so it's possible to just use that instead of Void Form . . .
    I'd prefer if they'd either commit to it being a flavor cast or a rotational ability, not this "well you can use it situationally but not really but okay yeah maybe" nonsense that has seemingly dictated the last four years of development for Shadow.

  16. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by united View Post
    I was browsing the Priest forum on the official forums and someone there posted a video of Aboni playing the spec in PvP (he’s a really good spriest on EU)

    https://youtu.be/g6a2Rd6UOTo

    The difference between shadow then and now is crazy. How does a spec get worse as time goes on?
    Because blizzard always needs to reinwent the wheel all over again, last time in legion. It was the trent that every class NEEDS now a ressource bar, so spriest gained the short end of the stick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malix Farwin View Post
    Hate to get your hopes up but it not only sucks but not even worth casting.
    And how do you know it when it isn't even reimplemented yet?

  17. #217
    Quote Originally Posted by otaXephon View Post
    I'd prefer if they'd either commit to it being a flavor cast or a rotational ability, not this "well you can use it situationally but not really but okay yeah maybe" nonsense that has seemingly dictated the last four years of development for Shadow.
    Oh I get where you are coming from, their design for shadow has been so disappointing.

    Ultimately I think they had already designed covenant and anima powers that interact with sanity mechanics so they would not be dropping Void Form but with DP they can make use of sanity mechanics as effectively a secondary resource. On SW it essentially goes back to what it once was; an execute that you can also cast while moving.
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  18. #218
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    Idk, I enjoy VF, honestly I miss when you cast it, it would explode and attack everything you had a dot on, all around you. That shit was awesome.
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  19. #219
    We only need now one thing: a talent that removes void form and let us stack devouring plague up to x times (and if necessary makes it tick longer) up to 5 stacks, and when you cast SW: D on a target with 5 stacks DP, it explodes, removed DP, deals the rest of it's damage instantly and deals an significant amount of damage to the target as an AoE. And voila, Shadow Priest fixed.
    Last edited by Velerios; 2020-06-25 at 07:51 AM.

  20. #220
    in the end the joke is on blizzards side. because the question „void form yes or no“ will not even come up, when you just do ZERO changes to the spec at all. But hey, patch 11.1 in 2024 will fix it

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttylol View Post
    Guess it's off the table, but Blizz doing the next best thing! Devouring Plague is back!!

    let me translate your quote from blizz:

    „Rather than heavily re-designing Void Form, we’re introducing a new tool for these combat situations with the return of Devouring Plague.“

    translates to

    „Rather than think about a useful and fun spec as a whole and redesign it, which costs time and effort, we do what we can best when it comes down to shadow priest and bandaid fix stuff with some lousy, not well thought solution. And if it not works, as always, we fix it in .1 patch. by adding another halfassed bandaid fix.“

    nice move

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