1. #20581
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    I must admit, this whole covid situation has played in my favor.
    More time with my parents, more time for my hobbies, haven't done jack shit at work since April (and still got paid) and got more paid with my second job which I love (which leads to even more pay 2021).

    2020 wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. I'll drink to it tomorrow.

  2. #20582
    Can't help but feel sorry for everyone living, well, everywhere else at the moment. I'm watching the reports coming in from the US and Europe and can't comprehend just how bad it is there.

    Australia is back on the very cusp of wiping it out over here, all thanks to closing down the borders very early on but also lockdowns.

    As it stands right now thee are just 89 active cases in the whole country, largely quarantine after having returned from overseas. There are only 19 people in hospital and just 1 in ICU.

    And as for lockdowns, they work very well when done properly. The state of Victoria, and specifically the capital Melbourne, got hit by a second wave that saw cases spice seventy-fold at its height. Despite protests from a handful of covidiots, they went into a really heavy lockdown that lasted four months. During that period they accounted for around 90% of all Australian cases and deaths.

    But right now, as they open up again, they have gone 10 days in a row now without a single new case or death.

    And the economy didn't collapse either. The federal government has been subsidising wages for a very large number of people as well as increasing unemployment benefits, which kept things going. As everything opens up again, those are slowly being phased out. Of course that has racked up a large debt but that is a small price to pay for keeping the nation safe.

  3. #20583
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Can't help but feel sorry for everyone living, well, everywhere else at the moment. I'm watching the reports coming in from the US and Europe and can't comprehend just how bad it is there.

    Australia is back on the very cusp of wiping it out over here, all thanks to closing down the borders very early on but also lockdowns.

    As it stands right now thee are just 89 active cases in the whole country, largely quarantine after having returned from overseas. There are only 19 people in hospital and just 1 in ICU.

    And as for lockdowns, they work very well when done properly. The state of Victoria, and specifically the capital Melbourne, got hit by a second wave that saw cases spice seventy-fold at its height. Despite protests from a handful of covidiots, they went into a really heavy lockdown that lasted four months. During that period they accounted for around 90% of all Australian cases and deaths.

    But right now, as they open up again, they have gone 10 days in a row now without a single new case or death.

    And the economy didn't collapse either. The federal government has been subsidising wages for a very large number of people as well as increasing unemployment benefits, which kept things going. As everything opens up again, those are slowly being phased out. Of course that has racked up a large debt but that is a small price to pay for keeping the nation safe.

    sigh, there are people who think because we have more people....we can't do it here.
    Just like gun control, national healthcare, etc etc.

    We lost our edge. We lost our confidence. its all been taken over by the "i got mine" attitude of baby boomers.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

  4. #20584
    Pfizer just announced early phase 3 trial results showing their mRNA vaccine is more than 90% effective. If that holds up, it's a silver bullet.

    In a beautiful twist of fate, Pfizer did not take any money from Operation Warp Speed. Could mean that not only won't Trump get any default credit in the history books for ending the pandemic during his administration (it won't be "over" until well into Biden's), his Operation Warp Speed may not be given historical credit either!

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/h...gtype=Homepage

  5. #20585
    Sounds like the gamble paid off.
    I suppose it was bound to with almost a dozen vaccines being tested.

  6. #20586
    I have doubts about any vaccine to Covid-19. Not because I am skeptical about vaccines in general, but because the virus bears close resemblance to flu or common cold. If humanity could produce a vaccine to a fast mutating virus that changes 2-3 times a year, we no longer would be suffering from seasonal flu epidemics that kill hundreds of thousand of people every year. And now we have reports that Covid has advanced cross species hopping abilities (which led to total extermination of all farm animals like minks in Denmark and Holland (iirc), just to be on the safer side). Each of these hops a virus makes, it mutates orders of magnitude more than from jumping human to human. Simple fact is, we have not even the slightest clue as to effects of these mutations for future versions of the virus. It just as well may turn into a totally harmless strain, or become more deadly than a Bubonic Plague and Ebola combined. And I do not see how a vaccine for such a virus could even theoretically be produced, given that it mutates so rapidly and wildly. All we can hope for is that natural selection will sort things out and more deadly mutation strains that kill their hosts will gradually die down. It sounds horrible, but IMO this virus is not going anywhere and short of a major medical breakthrough in immunology, there is no real cure in sight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaaz View Post
    clipped.
    You haven't done your homework.
    The mutations aren't significant enough.
    Though I'll grant you this much, pharmaceuticals are not going to be happy if this also prevents the flu.

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    CEO of Pfizer went to the same university as I did, I'm also skeptical

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaaz View Post
    I have doubts about any vaccine to Covid-19. Not because I am skeptical about vaccines in general, but because the virus bears close resemblance to flu or common cold. If humanity could produce a vaccine to a fast mutating virus that changes 2-3 times a year, we no longer would be suffering from seasonal flu epidemics that kill hundreds of thousand of people every year. And now we have reports that Covid has advanced cross species hopping abilities (which led to total extermination of all farm animals like minks in Denmark and Holland (iirc), just to be on the safer side). Each of these hops a virus makes, it mutates orders of magnitude more than from jumping human to human. Simple fact is, we have not even the slightest clue as to effects of these mutations for future versions of the virus. It just as well may turn into a totally harmless strain, or become more deadly than a Bubonic Plague and Ebola combined. And I do not see how a vaccine for such a virus could even theoretically be produced, given that it mutates so rapidly and wildly. All we can hope for is that natural selection will sort things out and more deadly mutation strains that kill their hosts will gradually die down. It sounds horrible, but IMO this virus is not going anywhere and short of a major medical breakthrough in immunology, there is no real cure in sight.
    If they manage to make mRNA vaccines safe, then they can actually start to crank out vaccines at an accelerated rate. The problem...safe mRNA vaccines. Never been done in humans because they are/can be very dangerous - worse than the disease they are attempting to treat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaaz View Post
    I have doubts about any vaccine to Covid-19. Not because I am skeptical about vaccines in general, but because the virus bears close resemblance to flu or common cold. If humanity could produce a vaccine to a fast mutating virus that changes 2-3 times a year, we no longer would be suffering from seasonal flu epidemics that kill hundreds of thousand of people every year.
    As Pacox said: it's essentially a new technology, so if we manage to make it usable, we don't know yet what is possible in the years down the road.

  11. #20591
    All I hope is to be back to normal by Summer 2021, would be amazing if we can get there.

  12. #20592
    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    CEO of Pfizer went to the same university as I did, I'm also skeptical
    Good thing then that the vaccine was not developed by Pfizer, but by BioNTech

  13. #20593
    Quote Originally Posted by Eviscero View Post
    Pfizer just announced early phase 3 trial results showing their mRNA vaccine is more than 90% effective. If that holds up, it's a silver bullet.

    In a beautiful twist of fate, Pfizer did not take any money from Operation Warp Speed. Could mean that not only won't Trump get any default credit in the history books for ending the pandemic during his administration (it won't be "over" until well into Biden's), his Operation Warp Speed may not be given historical credit either!

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/h...gtype=Homepage

    thats hilarious, everyone on twitter is like " thanks trump for the vaccine!"
    but they werent even part of the admin lul, you know if this was a dem they would be talking about how bad government is and how the private sector is superior, but since they are full trumpers nationalist socialism has to be their path

  14. #20594
    It's actually really sad how so many newspapers just praise Pfizer when the vaccine was not even developed by them

    This is huge and if it works out, a big thanks to BioNTech for normalizing the world again!
    I hope you get more recognition in the coming weeks.

  15. #20595
    I just hope everyone is not jumping the gun here.
    Based on everything I read there is not a lot of detail around the trials released yet.

    Can't wait for the conspiracies to start about this announcement a week after the elections.

    90% effective, not when half the country won't take it by the time the conspiracies get a hold of it

    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

  16. #20596
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    Whoever tests for coronavirus automatically enters a daily lottery which may award 3k USD, unclear how many such prizes per day will be there.

    Starting next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xjev View Post
    All I hope is to be back to normal by Summer 2021, would be amazing if we can get there.
    It won't. German medical personnel warns that Corona will not be over quickly.
    We will have to deal with this virus the next Christmas and the one after that.

    Whether that will be a "deal with" similar to the flu or whether shit will still hit the fan, is anyone's guess at this point.

  18. #20598
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Can't help but feel sorry for everyone living, well, everywhere else at the moment. I'm watching the reports coming in from the US and Europe and can't comprehend just how bad it is there.

    Australia is back on the very cusp of wiping it out over here, all thanks to closing down the borders very early on but also lockdowns.

    As it stands right now thee are just 89 active cases in the whole country, largely quarantine after having returned from overseas. There are only 19 people in hospital and just 1 in ICU.

    And as for lockdowns, they work very well when done properly. The state of Victoria, and specifically the capital Melbourne, got hit by a second wave that saw cases spice seventy-fold at its height. Despite protests from a handful of covidiots, they went into a really heavy lockdown that lasted four months. During that period they accounted for around 90% of all Australian cases and deaths.

    But right now, as they open up again, they have gone 10 days in a row now without a single new case or death.

    And the economy didn't collapse either. The federal government has been subsidising wages for a very large number of people as well as increasing unemployment benefits, which kept things going. As everything opens up again, those are slowly being phased out. Of course that has racked up a large debt but that is a small price to pay for keeping the nation safe.
    Speaking as someone in the US, most peoples day to day hasn't changed much except during that "essential" only period months ago, aside from wearing a mask (my county requires one and every store has signs saying fuck off or wear a mask) like everything is open, traffic is unreal, people still crowd in downtown areas for events and whatnot and everything seems pretty normal, like if I walk outside right now it looks like it did 2 years ago, the sky isn't filled with smoke, roads aren't loaded with burned out cars with infected bodies laying all over, I was in the ER in the middle of June and asked a nurse about Corona and she said "yeah, we've seen a few cases come through here" there was only like 3 people in the waiting area.

    Still think the mask thing should be nationwide which I'm assuming it will be once the evil Biden gets into office, a bunch of twats will complain, this time though we will have actual people who believe in science on the (Bidens) rona taskforce rather than religious dipshits like Pence...

  19. #20599
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...id-19-n1247126

    State of emergency and mask mandate in Utah now.

    If only "Listening to doctors" wasn't a political issue in this country, we'd have a fighting chance against a pandemic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tylenol View Post
    Speaking as someone in the US, most peoples day to day hasn't changed much except during that "essential" only period months ago, aside from wearing a mask (my county requires one and every store has signs saying fuck off or wear a mask) like everything is open, traffic is unreal, people still crowd in downtown areas for events and whatnot and everything seems pretty normal, like if I walk outside right now it looks like it did 2 years ago, the sky isn't filled with smoke, roads aren't loaded with burned out cars with infected bodies laying all over, I was in the ER in the middle of June and asked a nurse about Corona and she said "yeah, we've seen a few cases come through here" there was only like 3 people in the waiting area..
    Pretty much here in the south NJ.

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