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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    And US military doing it's usual games, it seems:


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52145230
    It seems to me both sides were wrong. You never go beyond the chain of command, and the chain of command doesn't have to immediately terminate if they can solve the issue internally.

    Looks like a scare tactic to prevent other commanders from getting big ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    Putin implemented some new laws in Russia.

    If you cause two or more people to get infected and die to coronavirus through deliberate negligence, you can face up to 7 years in jail.

    If you spread misinformation about coronavirus, you can face up to 3 years in jail.
    Wonder if this counts for his Puppet in the White House.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    And US military doing it's usual games, it seems:


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52145230
    I don't actually see the problem with this. He went outside the chain of command. The military isn't the place to do things like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by breadisfunny View Post
    if it's a suspicious death they won't pay out.
    With 40k dead, try to hold that position

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    Quote Originally Posted by StayTuned View Post
    How is this helpful? You think i can read swedish?
    Google translate works perfectly for Swedish, like it does for all Germanic languages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StayTuned View Post
    How is this helpful? You think i can read swedish?
    If u get virus "sucks to be you"...Sweden, worst country on earth now in protecting people n response..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    With 40k dead, try to hold that position
    the insurance companies aren't going to suddenly just waive investigations and give out money more likely they will just start suspending policies until time as such investigations can be conducted and hold the money in an escrow account or something. they aren't charities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    It doesn’t matter the nine times you said x thing since you must also consider your original statements.
    So you're attempting to give yourself license to ignore anything you want because you misunderstood something earlier?

    Weird flex, but okay.


    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    I have taken your subsequent arguments as you bolstering your original statement.
    Good. They did. Thanks for agreeing with me.


    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    If you have a problem maybe you shouldn’t have said it? I mean you haven’t explicitly taken it back you are aware right?
    Why would I take back back the correct thing that I said simply because you didn't comprehend it? That'd be an odd thing to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    The whole mask thing, nothing changes anyway unless there's a unified order requiring mask. We can't even get a unified stay at home order. Right now it's local governments, and general were talking the county and state level, actually issuing orders with weight to to them. Asking people to stay home, making recommendations, aren't real orders.
    Some countries dont need new laws if the citizens follow common-sense rules, not really a shocking news its a cultural thing for sure.

    But ordering masks for everyone would be a smart move, if it helps to uphold the social distancing it is allready a benefit for everyone and shaming for those who HAVE TO wear them is minimized. What the masks prevent and what not, doesnt even matter at that point anymore.

    Here in germany we might get some mask orders for next week ( I really hope ), but the infection curve is not critical yet and the healthcare system was clearly prepared in time. Got FFP2 masks for the foreseeable future and I assume many countries will just adopt the japanese way to deal with this new permanent change in our lives and will wear masks in specific situations even without any laws.
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    Some interesting information out of NYC. We may not need as many ventilators as we think. Though we'll probably still need more than we have.

    https://rebelem.com/covid-19-hypoxem...till-safe-way/

    https://twitter.com/EricLeeMD/status...54768185303041
    Last edited by Masark; 2020-04-03 at 09:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    I thought CFR needs to include a timeframe. It seems to me to be a bit useless to include the most recent cases as that will just push the CFR down, so the more cases are added within the past few days the lower CFR gets which obviously is not very useful.
    Well, the point is that CFR is a very simple thing to measure, but has somewhat limited long-term meaning; it's just the most convenient number to be able to compare in the short term.

    CFR can have a timeframe, but it's more in relation to a wave of infection, or a specific viral strain mutation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    But anyway, when looking at the USA, shouldn't CFR be calculated on a state by state level and not for the whole country? I mean, some states are the size of entire countries and the cases are pretty localized.

    For example, CFR for New York is 2,7%
    Ultimately, COVID-19 will have one CFR, and then ultimately, one estimated IFR.

    The measured CFR in an area can somewhat be used to compare the measure of care available in that area, or to suggest another area- or demographic-specific factor in mortality, such as the correlation of a high measured CFR with air pollution level, or prevalence of smoking, etc.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Is there an equivalent to CFR? 2,4% CFR (today's numbers) seems low sure but the recovery rate isn't much higher at 4,4%.
    Equivalent in terms of recovery? Not as far as I know. It should pretty much just be the inverse of the CFR. "Recovery" can be a hard thing to quantify, though. Infection is pretty clear (positive or negative), mortality as well (dead or not dead), but recovery can be a fairly subjective call until the outbreak is done and over.

    But the CFR is bound to change as we move through the outbreak and increase our data collection, especially since the death curve perforce lags behind the infection curve.
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    I just went for a walk and did some grocery shopping, too. Fucking kids in the store didn't keep safe distance. I shouted at them and felt like punching the idiots.

    "CAN'T YOU FUCKING READ?! BACK OFF!" (there are signs about keeping 2m distance everywhere, even lines on the floor while queueing)

    I went full crazy old man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Well, the point is that CFR is a very simple thing to measure, but has somewhat limited long-term meaning; it's just the most convenient number to be able to compare in the short term.

    CFR can have a timeframe, but it's more in relation to a wave of infection, or a specific viral strain mutation.



    Ultimately, COVID-19 will have one CFR, and then ultimately, one estimated IFR.

    The measured CFR in an area can somewhat be used to compare the measure of care available in that area, or to suggest another area- or demographic-specific factor in mortality, such as the correlation of a high measured CFR with air pollution level, or prevalence of smoking, etc.



    Equivalent in terms of recovery? Not as far as I know. It should pretty much just be the inverse of the CFR. "Recovery" can be a hard thing to quantify, though. Infection is pretty clear (positive or negative), mortality as well (dead or not dead), but recovery can be a fairly subjective call until the outbreak is done and over.

    But the CFR is bound to change as we move through the outbreak and increase our data collection, especially since the death curve perforce lags behind the infection curve.
    Thanks for the reply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    I went full crazy old man.
    Did it help / make you feel better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Did it help / make you feel better?
    Yes and yes!

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    I just do a semi smiling : ) face when people are blocking me or standing next to me and we make eye contact. In the scenario we don't make eye contact, I do a very cartoony lift of the foot and place it a meter away and make sure they notice it, then I proceed to make the aforementioned : ) face once we make eye contact. I think I might be autistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    Yes and yes!
    In my experience it's mostly elderly people disrespecting those conventions right now. Just the other day an old lady felt like whispering in my ear when I was shopping because she didn't know where the butter was.

    But you know, if there's a moment that shouting like an old man is right it's right now. People need to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    That's a bad thing when you have to get locked up. I'm extremely surprised we aren't seeing thousands of dead, we are much, much worse than Spanish or Italians when it comes to civil disobedience and arrogance. Especially the older population that didn't get taught about epidemics and how they actually work, they will either yolo this thing, or their kids will make them super afraid and paranoid to the point of never actually leaving the house even when it's permitted. My parents belong to the second category, I event bought them a ping pong table lol.

    When you lock 4 Greeks in a room, you get 8 opinions and hear 4 gunshots. There's bound to be riots, we aren't domesticated animals.

    There's always Easter, that will surely be a clusterfuck.
    Greek mothers will keep people inside or else.
    But yeah Pascha will be an issue. We are doing great imo, the government has proven to be competent. What we need to do is pick up the testing and there needs to be intervention about price gouging in private labs and hospitals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    I just went for a walk and did some grocery shopping, too. Fucking kids in the store didn't keep safe distance. I shouted at them and felt like punching the idiots.

    "CAN'T YOU FUCKING READ?! BACK OFF!" (there are signs about keeping 2m distance everywhere, even lines on the floor while queueing)

    I went full crazy old man.
    Yeah, have seen lots of dumbass teens, one bumped into me, how u accomplish that when we were the only customers in store?

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