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    Quote Originally Posted by Remilia View Post
    Disproportional to hypertension and overweight/obesity makes sense though with the amount of reports to do with clots.
    It would make sense - but the study didn't really find a disproportional amount of them, compared to the rest of the elderly population.

    It may be that it is less of a risk than previously thought, or it may be that more covid-19 patients have those factors - but it wasn't diagnosed before, or it may be that they mean that 53% of covid-19 cases have severe hypertension when half of the population has any form of hypertension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    It would make sense - but the study didn't really find a disproportional amount of them, compared to the rest of the elderly population.

    It may be that it is less of a risk than previously thought, or it may be that more covid-19 patients have those factors - but it wasn't diagnosed before, or it may be that they mean that 53% of covid-19 cases have severe hypertension when half of the population has any form of hypertension.
    Since the numbers are from New York, the percentage overall for NY among adults is lower than national average.
    https://www.health.ny.gov/statistics...ifa_report.pdf
    It's not perfect by any means due to basically being self reported.
    If using this, a 2017 data set compared to 2016.
    https://www.cdc.gov/bloodpressure/facts.htm
    Assuming a tacked on 20% due to under reporting (their 1 in 5 do not know), it'd be 29.16 to 32.64 range, no where close to 53%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remilia View Post
    Since the numbers are from New York, the percentage overall for NY among adults is lower than national average.
    https://www.health.ny.gov/statistics...ifa_report.pdf
    It's not perfect by any means due to basically being self reported.
    If people in New York were that much healthier one would need to figure out why, otherwise it's likely a much more severe underreporting.
    The other explanation would be different demographics - but NY is not that demographically different.

    Obviously if the same medical records that underreports hypertension are used for the covid-19 deaths it is still significant; but then we are even more uncertain what the true risks are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    If people in New York were that much healthier one would need to figure out why, otherwise it's likely a much more severe underreporting.
    The other explanation would be different demographics - but NY is not that demographically different.

    Obviously if the same medical records that underreports hypertension are used for the covid-19 deaths it is still significant; but then we are even more uncertain what the true risks are.
    Think as more info comes out about how this virus works then they can more pinpoint what could be a bigger risk factor. Finding out that it causes abnormal amounts of clot would probably just be one piece of a giant puzzle mess. So hopefully we'll see more info soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zython View Post
    If you care about political polarization so much, maybe you should just agree with us? Not doing so is just contributing to the problem
    My vote, in the US, is to double down on political polarization. It's a war either way. The idea of a President convincing people to drink bleach as an anti-virus remedy is not acceptable. The meat packing plants work until you drop even if you have virus symptoms is not acceptable. And the idea of armed white terrorists roaming around the country at will is most definitely not acceptable. At this point, I am 100% in favor of democrats fighting back hard and maximizing political polarization. It has to be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    Now compare the measures taken in the US against these diseases to the extraordinary ones being taken now, as well as the vastly improved medical knowledge, logistics and communication capabilities we have today. Consider also the fact that COVID might very well not be even close to done yet.

    There's no reason to try and even slightly downplay this shit. The virus is to be taken seriously, end of.
    I take it very serously. And what part of my first statement did you not understand...." While the COV-19 virus is to be taken serous and is not done yet with it's dirty work"......?

    My point is, it is not the worse this country has faced in terms of a pandemic and there is no reason why some parts of the country can start to reopen. And yes, this flu will not be the last one to hit us and we have learned some important things about how to combat the next wave.
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    Shit, i can't believe this mess, my country is over-reporting cases. They corrected the numbers today, and the result is less 200 cases then yeastherday. So, we won't know how many new cases we had today, because the official report doesn't despict that information .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    I take it very serously. And what part of my first statement did you not understand...." While the COV-19 virus is to be taken serous and is not done yet with it's dirty work"......?

    My point is, it is not the worse this country has faced in terms of a pandemic and there is no reason why some parts of the country can start to reopen. And yes, this flu will not be the last one to hit us and we have learned some important things about how to combat the next wave.
    At the start of the pandemic, it is not the worst pandemic. Very smart.
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    We're currently in process of slowly reopening the country.

    There is a massive tug of war between various ministries and government bodies. Everyone wants to open shit up, but it's done super slowly and selectively, sometimes we get some news that X will be open next week, only for that to be canceled and instead having Y open next week.

    They wanted to open elementary schools and kindergartens next week, but after all kindergartens will remain closed and it's unclear about elementary schools - whether it will be partial or only some areas and so on and so forth. They did reopen IKEA though... very important apparently, totally nothing to do with alleged ties between Minister of Health and the place owner

    Overall May will see some return to normalcy, my workplace offices will open up either next week or week after and we are going to do 50/50 there, blue team and red team, each coming to work half a week and working from home another half.

    Right now, we seem to have things under control, so obviously things need to open, because this is not sustainable really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    If you walk into a government building openly carrying a rifle, covering your face and not displaying a badge showing you are law enforcement official you should be shot dead the moment you step into the building. Full stop. There is no other acceptable course of action. None.
    I refuse to believe you're American.
    You're certainly not thinking things through if you think adding to the death toll and escalating social unrest is an "acceptable" course of action in a region where the governor is already having a problem keeping control of the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    We're currently in process of slowly reopening the country.

    There is a massive tug of war between various ministries and government bodies. Everyone wants to open shit up, but it's done super slowly and selectively, sometimes we get some news that X will be open next week, only for that to be canceled and instead having Y open next week.

    They wanted to open elementary schools and kindergartens next week, but after all kindergartens will remain closed and it's unclear about elementary schools - whether it will be partial or only some areas and so on and so forth. They did reopen IKEA though... very important apparently, totally nothing to do with alleged ties between Minister of Health and the place owner

    Overall May will see some return to normalcy, my workplace offices will open up either next week or week after and we are going to do 50/50 there, blue team and red team, each coming to work half a week and working from home another half.

    Right now, we seem to have things under control, so obviously things need to open, because this is not sustainable really.
    Opening schools is the worst thing any country can do until a vaccine or treatment is available any parent will tell you they are like cruise ships on steroids once you open them cases will explode.

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    The society collapse will make this "pandemic" a complete joke. What a brilliant idea to stop working all at once, people won't need to eat or pay rents at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LarryDD View Post
    The society collapse will make this "pandemic" a complete joke. What a brilliant idea to stop working all at once, people won't need to eat or pay rents at all.
    I wonder if that is why we gave unemployment to those that lost jobs due to covid-19. NAh..... That can't be the reason......
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarryDD View Post
    The society collapse will make this "pandemic" a complete joke. What a brilliant idea to stop working all at once, people won't need to eat or pay rents at all.
    So... ask your government to help you fill the gap? So fucking bizarre that people have the mentality of "why won't they help us kill ourselves" instead of "why won't they help us survive."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapemask View Post
    So... ask your government to help you fill the gap? So fucking bizarre that people have the mentality of "why won't they help us kill ourselves" instead of "why won't they help us survive."
    To paraphrase Kushner... those supplies are not for us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    I refuse to believe you're American.
    You're certainly not thinking things through if you think adding to the death toll and escalating social unrest is an "acceptable" course of action in a region where the governor is already having a problem keeping control of the population.
    You are correct, I'm not from the US.

    Doesn't change that if you enter government building masked, openly carrying a rifle and not clearly displaying a badge identifying you as a law enforcement official, you should be rightly shot dead on the spot. And if not shot dead right then and there, charged with attempted terrorist attack, and forever lose your ability to purchase and possess any kind of firearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErrandRunner View Post
    I'm not African-American.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    You are correct, I'm not from the US.

    Doesn't change that if you enter government building masked, openly carrying a rifle and not clearly displaying a badge identifying you as a law enforcement official, you should be rightly shot dead on the spot. And if not shot dead right then and there, charged with attempted terrorist attack, and forever lose your ability to purchase and possess any kind of firearm.
    I don't know about shot dead, but you should at least be stopped by security. I don't even know how these guys got in. I suppose my only experiences with US capitol buildings have been in Nebraska and Georgia, but both had more security than a US airport. You can't carry a pair of plastic scissors into those buildings, and certainly not a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    You are correct, I'm not from the US.

    Doesn't change that if you enter government building masked, openly carrying a rifle and not clearly displaying a badge identifying you as a law enforcement official, you should be rightly shot dead on the spot. And if not shot dead right then and there, charged with attempted terrorist attack, and forever lose your ability to purchase and possess any kind of firearm.
    Nothing happened to the masked caucasian people carrying firearms screaming at police and government officials? Sounds about ̶w̶h̶i̶t̶e̶ right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    I refuse to believe you're American.
    You're certainly not thinking things through if you think adding to the death toll and escalating social unrest is an "acceptable" course of action in a region where the governor is already having a problem keeping control of the population.
    it's called martial law.
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