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    Oh good grief, now I've seen everything.

    Latest conspiracy theory is that lockdowns are as a result of a massive psyop campaign using compromised voices by the Chinese to destroy its rivals economies.

    That's just so dumb on do many levels I don't know where to start.

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    If another lockdown happens they better start up basic income, even now I can't find any jobs in my area

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitters View Post
    If another lockdown happens they better start up basic income, even now I can't find any jobs in my area
    I am feeling the same way. Wrong time to make a career change for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    If it passes independent reviews and verified data shows it works, why not?

    I mean, not everyone is a rampant xenophobe. China is fucked up in a lotta ways, but I mean, are we gonna start throwing away everything made in China?
    even if it's not from china i wouldn't trust a vaccine being pushed so fast... not after the swine flu vaccine...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    A comment on Twitter got me thinking "The lockdowns were more harmful than the virus."

    How many people died or developed long term condition because of the lockdown?

    Rhetorical question.
    The lockdowns are pretty devastating in poorer countries.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/w...er-crisis.html

    So, maybe look beyond your back yard from time to time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raspberry Lemon View Post
    even if it's not from china i wouldn't trust a vaccine being pushed so fast... not after the swine flu vaccine...
    Agreed. There is a reason why we test these substances for as long as we usually do. Even then there is a remaining risk but that is generally accepted as unavoidable.

    Inoculating billions healthy, young people that have little to fear from C-19 is a gamble at best.
    The vaccine might easily prove more problematic than the virus itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    The lockdowns are pretty devastating in poorer countries.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/w...er-crisis.html
    Vulnerable communities that were already vulnerable with the more wealthy using the virus as a scapegoat to further keep the vulnerable in line ie in the US many "essential workers" were understaffed and underpaid before the virus. They work on the same pay in worse conditions expected to keep the country working while the ones who throw their hands up and sya "we can't pay you more" are able to safely quarantine.

    So I really don't care about certain people complaining about the post-Covid economy. Many are the ones looking for something to exploit. The ones truly impacted knew how damage the economy was before even before the virus. The workers can complain, and many could give a damn about pundits and politians concern trolling about a economy that already failed the workers and didn’t do them any favors when they were the only ones on the streets keeping it going (in the US).

    Suddenly people care about starving people in Africa? Miss me with that. They just want to go back to their keep labor and lavish vacations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    He was not exactly comparable to our dear "strongarmed leaders". I mean, sure, UK messed up the initial response, but he was not exactly in denial of seriousness of Covid, as opposed to Trump, Lukashenko, Bolsofuckingnaro, etc., even before catching it himself (and he did got it pretty bad).
    At least, AFAIK.
    Boris before getting it was basically "Some of you will die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make." Farquaad.

    Post illness he initiated a lockdown. But filled the science committee with Cummings backed yesmen so he could claim to be following the science while doing basically nothing.

    What the conservatives claim the science is saying vs what independent groups (like the independent sage group) is saying is in two different realities.

    Boris is at best half arsing while trying to fill his and his cronies pockets. Non Cummings backed groups are basically pleading for a second lockdown because the infection rate is extremely high. There are more daily infections now than there ever was during the first wave and that had a lockdown to slow it. This one doesn't and Boris isn't budging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Suddenly people care about starving people in Africa? Miss me with that.
    So it's a problem if a handful of Americans die but millions of people in poorer countries? Well who gives a flying intercourse.

    Yep, western civilization at it's finest. Thanks for proving my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    So it's a problem if a handful of Americans die but millions of people in poorer countries? Well who gives a flying intercourse.

    Yep, western civilization at it's finest. Thanks for proving my point.
    In a world where I have to chooses between lives and a dollar, I'm choosing lives first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    In a world where I have to chooses between lives and a dollar, I'm choosing lives first.
    Except that in most 3rd world countries, this choice does not present itself.

    We can sit here in our well funded nations and weather the economic storm (well, you Americans maybe less than us Germans) but we must realize that a lot of people on this planet are not so lucky. To simply dismiss them as "who ever cared about them?" makes your whole "I'm choosing lives!!11" quite unbelievable.

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    Sweden didn't lock down and their economic contraction ended up being marginally worse than all of their neighbors in spite of it. Not sure why that is though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitters View Post
    If another lockdown happens they better start up basic income, even now I can't find any jobs in my area
    Where do you get budget for that with a broken economy? France will run out of money to pay those who lost jobs by the end of October. Real economy crises will hit soon. Although I believe humans who survived thousands of years without any economic system must have a way with today's tech to pass this through with relative ease, but don't expect much payouts for next lockout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thenadrys View Post
    Sweden didn't lock down and their economic contraction ended up being marginally worse than all of their neighbors in spite of it. Not sure why that is though.
    Sweden relative to to its neighboring countries is a way more active country, has more travelers and international workers. Basically more "globalist", so its expected for Sweden to have higher rates and to get more hit on economy compared to her neighboring countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Except that in most 3rd world countries, this choice does not present itself.

    We can sit here in our well funded nations and weather the economic storm (well, you Americans maybe less than us Germans) but we must realize that a lot of people on this planet are not so lucky. To simply dismiss them as "who ever cared about them?" makes your whole "I'm choosing lives!!11" quite unbelievable.
    He is saying this isn’t a covid problem, but a problem that is exacerbated by covid. Do you honestly think it’s the people of US’s fault, and not the same companies or their subsidiaries that are ratfucking the world?

    Different country, same corporation:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Papua_(province)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xjev View Post
    Where do you get budget for that with a broken economy? France will run out of money to pay those who lost jobs by the end of October. Real economy crises will hit soon. Although I believe humans who survived thousands of years without any economic system must have a way with today's tech to pass this through with relative ease, but don't expect much payouts for next lockout.
    The key was keeping the life expectancy around 30 years old.

    Sweden relative to to its neighboring countries is a way more active country, has more travelers and international workers. Basically more "globalist", so its expected for Sweden to have higher rates and to get more hit on economy compared to her neighboring countries.
    Because sick people don’t shop or work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xjev View Post
    Sweden relative to to its neighboring countries is a way more active country, has more travelers and international workers. Basically more "globalist", so its expected for Sweden to have higher rates and to get more hit on economy compared to her neighboring countries.
    I don't believe that's the case.

    Norway has far more travelers, and was in the most of the month of March, the second most highly infected country in the world. Precisely because Norwegians travel a lot. Most of the early cases came back from vacation in Italy. Norway's economy is also way more dependent on export. Denmark meanwhile, sits on the continent, and has a very high population density. They too managed to avoid the high death counts of Sweden, and to my recollection even had a lesser quarterly GDP contraction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Suddenly people care about starving people in Africa?
    Because people suddenly start starving.

    What most people don't realize was that large famines were gone from Africa for decades (they returned a few years ago due to political decisions - but still smaller than during the earlier decades), and based on post in this forum many weren't aware that extreme poverty was on track for being eradicated within a decade or so.

    Covid-19 has set that back decades, and to top it off there are locust swarms in Africa as well. The cause is not just lockdowns in Africa, but also reductions in trade due to decisions in other countries.

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    And now we are past 1 million reported deaths, and as the Economist wrote: "Perhaps another 1m have gone unrecorded." - https://www.economist.com/leaders/20...covid-19-wrong
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    We care about people starving in Africa because we care about controlling the amount of people who want to migrate to Europe and other better off places. Sounds harsh but that's basically the core sentiment in politics.

    Climate change also can't be underestimate when it comes to the increasing number of famines in Africa, although i am no expert so i could be wrong but drought can't be good for your agriculture. Meanwhile the EU and US over subsidizes their agriculture industries. Yet farmers are still worse off each passing year so what the hell is really going on, perhaps an interesting subject to look into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    He is saying this isn’t a covid problem, but a problem that is exacerbated by covid.
    I never said that is was a "covid exclusive" problem. Neither did the NY-Times article that I linked.

    But yes: this whole COVID shabang has hit other nations WAAAY harder than us.

    BTW: the companies wouldn't be "ratfucking" the world, if we, the consumers would act differently.
    Problem is though: our economy functions on greed. We want everything as cheap as possible, so do they. And the rest is history.
    In order to break such a cycle, you would first have to eliminate or moderate scarcity and secondly reprogram the human mind to get off the greed.
    Bot are not achievable right now.

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    Yet another fucking lockdown here in Dublin despite living on the border... ffs. Garda turning people around on the roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daedius View Post
    Yet another fucking lockdown here in Dublin despite living on the border... ffs. Garda turning people around on the roads.
    Border of what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    Border of what?
    County Dublin. People living in the county aren't allowed out of it. My local town is a 5 minute drive which is in Meath, and I got told to turn around...
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