Did the blood elves oppose burning Teldrassil?

[Accendor]

Christie Golden's very special touch to the genre, I admit.

It's ridiculously bad writing from a thematic point of view though and shows complete lack of understanding of:
a) history
b) the setting of Azeroth
c) the origin of 'war crimes' as a concept

It is your own choice if you wish to adhere to Christie Golden's interpretations of the world, which are frankly extremely out-of-place, forcing modern liberal ideologies into a genre that never had them before, but I personally reject them as unsuitable for the genre.

You can reject then all you want, they are the official story. If you want to discuss fanfiction, this is not the right place for it.

[Neklord]

The sentinels invaded Eversong woods and Ghostlands to assassinate, sabotage and spy the blood elves, so I'm sure they don't care.

[Grazrug]

The sentinels invaded Eversong woods and Ghostlands to assassinate, sabotage and spy the blood elves, so I'm sure they don't care.

Pretty much this. Just because the novella author forgot about it. It still happened regardless. So I don't know why people want the sin'dorei to care about why alliance related stuff all the time.

[Moonrage]

The sentinels invaded Eversong woods and Ghostlands to assassinate, sabotage and spy the blood elves, so I'm sure they don't care.

Everyone keeps bringing this up, but they all forgot what the Horde has done to the High Elves in the past. Remember when the Orcs allied with the Forest Trolls (the ancient enemy of the High/Blood Elves) and murdered their way through Quel'Thalas? Countless Elves were murdered, including the little brother of the Windrunners. But everyone has conveniently forgotten about that, and now the Blood Elves are all buddy buddies with the Orcs.

Keep in mind the Sentinels were probably sent by Fandral Staghelm, as Tyrande never had any problems with the Blood Elves. She even escorted them to safety in Warcraft 3, something that almost costed her her own life.

It was hardly an invasion to begin with. At best it was an infiltration. Only a small number of Sentinels ever set foot on Quel'Thalas, yet no one will ever stop whining about it.

[Ardenaso]

Everyone keeps bringing this up, but they all forgot what the Horde has done to the High Elves in the past. Remember when the Orcs allied with the Forest Trolls (the ancient enemy of the High/Blood Elves) and murdered their way through Quel'Thalas? Countless Elves were murdered, including the little brother of the Windrunners. But everyone has conveniently forgotten about that, and now the Blood Elves are all buddy buddies with the Orcs.

Keep in mind the Sentinels were probably sent by Fandral Staghelm, as Tyrande never had any problems with the Blood Elves. She even escorted them to safety in Warcraft 3, something that almost costed her her own life.

It was hardly an invasion to begin with. At best it was an infiltration. Only a small number of Sentinels ever set foot on Quel'Thalas, yet no one will ever stop whining about it.

I heard some rumors it was supposed to be a response investigation as to why the Blood Elves were harassing Azuremyst Isle; of course Fandral be so omnipotent to know they aren't Horde

[Evilfish]

Everyone keeps bringing this up, but they all forgot what the Horde has done to the High Elves in the past. Remember when the Orcs allied with the Forest Trolls (the ancient enemy of the High/Blood Elves) and murdered their way through Quel'Thalas? Countless Elves were murdered, including the little brother of the Windrunners. But everyone has conveniently forgotten about that, and now the Blood Elves are all buddy buddies with the Orcs.

Keep in mind the Sentinels were probably sent by Fandral Staghelm, as Tyrande never had any problems with the Blood Elves. She even escorted them to safety in Warcraft 3, something that almost costed her her own life.

It was hardly an invasion to begin with. At best it was an infiltration. Only a small number of Sentinels ever set foot on Quel'Thalas, yet no one will ever stop whining about it.

I don't remember the orcs sending an emissary pretending to open diplomatic discussions while he was sabotaging the belf last line of defense against extinction. The fact is that was a huge dick move and the poor-poor Alliance can't even fathom the thought of making dick moves.

Bottom line is that when the belfs were on their lowest point, it wasn't orcs trying to wipe them out. It was the Alliance.

[Moonrage]

I don't remember the orcs sending an emissary pretending to open diplomatic discussions while he was sabotaging the belf last line of defense against extinction. The fact is that was a huge dick move and the poor-poor Alliance can't even fathom the thought of making dick moves.

Bottom line is that when the belfs were on their lowest point, it wasn't orcs trying to wipe them out. It was the Alliance.

Yeah because sabotage is a lot worse than a full on invasion. It was never the intend of the Alliance to wipe them out.

[Evilfish]

Yeah because sabotage is a lot worse than a full on invasion. It was never the intend of the Alliance to wipe them out.

Hell yeah. Remember that the belfs lost to the army of the dead cause of sabotage. The same sabotage the Alliance was trying to replicate, knowingly or otherwise.

[Every Pwny]

No one spoke out about it after it happened, so none of them were opposed to it as far as we've seen in game and they continued to support Sylvanas afterwards.

[Feanoro]

Only a small {Alliance force} ever {verb} on {Horde location}, yet no one will ever stop whining about it.

Edited to reflect how this applies every time. Horde and its fans seem to have a problem understanding scale.

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No one spoke out about it after it happened, so none of them were opposed to it as far as we've seen in game and they continued to support Sylvanas afterwards.

Until she REEEd away, at which time they and the majority of the Horde had magically been against her all along.

[Mehrunes]

Yeah because sabotage is a lot worse than a full on invasion. It was never the intend of the Alliance to wipe them out.

Except the sabotage part of Alliance's bullshit was conducted in Eversong Woods while their activity in Ghostlands was - despite your valiant attempts at pretending otherwise in your previous post - an invasion. At which point you have sabotage plus invasion vs just invasion. So the answer which one is worse is pretty obvious. And whatever their intent was, the Blood Elves were still at the brink of extinction at that time (hell, they still held half of their kingdom only because of Forsaken reinforcement a year after those events) and Alliance tried to fuck with their very survival.

Edited to reflect how this applies every time. Horde and its fans seem to have a problem understanding scale.

Every time? Including the invasion Moonrage was actually talking about in that post? What happened that you're no longer denying it? Also, not only is the scale argument not true for every case to begin with, but what you apparently have a problem understanding yourself is that this "but Alliance forces didn't extend this arbitrary number I pulled out of the Nether right this very moment" isn't actually a defense of the Alliance and any nation trying to pull that card in international relations in defense of outright attacks would get rather disheartening results.

[Feanoro]

What happened that you're no longer denying it?

If you're going to refer to past posts of mine, could you kindly not flat out lie about them?

[Specialka]

Except the sabotage part of Alliance's bullshit was conducted in Eversong Woods while their activity in Ghostlands was - despite your valiant attempts at pretending otherwise in your previous post - an invasion. At which point you have sabotage plus invasion vs just invasion. So the answer which one is worse is pretty obvious. And whatever their intent was, the Blood Elves were still at the brink of extinction at that time (hell, they still held half of their kingdom only because of Forsaken reinforcement a year after those events) and Alliance tried to fuck with their very survival.




Every time? Including the invasion Moonrage was actually talking about in that post? What happened that you're no longer denying it? Also, not only is the scale argument not true for every case to begin with, but what you apparently have a problem understanding yourself is that this "but Alliance forces didn't extend this arbitrary number I pulled out of the Nether right this very moment" isn't actually a defense of the Alliance and any nation trying to pull that card in international relations in defense of outright attacks would get rather disheartening results.

Who was in charge of that "invasion" alliance side? If that was a mission conducted by the Alliance, we should have heard anything in the lore about the military commander behind it or even the goal behind it, plus it does not seem that the BE hold any grudge against the Alliance for it since it is not mention whatsoever after by anyone.

[Reinhart11]

Everyone keeps bringing this up, but they all forgot what the Horde has done to the High Elves in the past. Remember when the Orcs allied with the Forest Trolls (the ancient enemy of the High/Blood Elves) and murdered their way through Quel'Thalas? Countless Elves were murdered, including the little brother of the Windrunners. But everyone has conveniently forgotten about that, and now the Blood Elves are all buddy buddies with the Orcs.

Keep in mind the Sentinels were probably sent by Fandral Staghelm, as Tyrande never had any problems with the Blood Elves. She even escorted them to safety in Warcraft 3, something that almost costed her her own life.

It was hardly an invasion to begin with. At best it was an infiltration. Only a small number of Sentinels ever set foot on Quel'Thalas, yet no one will ever stop whining about it.

Back in BC the Blood Elves weren't all buddy buddy with the Horde. Not with one part of it. They tried to ally with them to literally have some allies they can use as cannonfodder while recovering and getting to Outland which, they fought, Kael'thas prepared for them and was some kind of holy land when it comes to the use of magic.

So the Blood Elves were pretty egoistic, manipulative and scheming back in these days. Which was much more fitting for them anyway compared to the crap "Blood Elves" we are getting today. Forsaken and Blood Elves should never have been more than allies of necessity/convenience when it comes to the Horde.

If Blizzard had continued the concept of the Blood Elves from TFT they could have stayed as a small, but powerful group whos (which was easily possible without the major crap story the Blood Elves and Illidari received in BC) only need when it came to the Horde was a military alliance. But Blizzard decided for nonsensical reasons or even no reason at all to change Blood Elves back into High Elves, even letting them repeat the mistakes the High Elves did, becoming dependant on the Sunwell again, now not only dependant on its arcane power but making themselves dependant and subservient to the Light, which the TFT Blood Elves would never have done. Which literally made the creation of the Blood Elves meaningless and it is even more idiotic, to put such a race in a faction they don't belong, esepcially if they knew with BC already, that they will turn the Blood Elves back into High Elves, the latter being a more or less big part of the Alliance since WC 2. Now we have red High Elves in the Horde which don't fit in any shape whatsoever. Wonderful.

[Mehrunes]

Who was in charge of that "invasion" alliance side? If that was a mission conducted by the Alliance, we should have heard anything in the lore about the military commander behind it or even the goal behind it, plus it does not seem that the BE hold any grudge against the Alliance for it since it is not mention whatsoever after by anyone.

Who was in charge of the "attack" on Southshore Forsaken side? If that was a mission conducted by the Horde we should have heart anything in the lore about the military commander behind it or even the goal behind it plus it does not seem that the human hold any grudge against the Horde for it since it is not mentioned whatsoever by anyone. I guess it didn't happen then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And Alliance's duplicity is mentioned at the end of Blood Elven starting experience when they are admitted to the Horde.

[Ardenaso]

If that was a mission conducted by the Horde we should have heart anything in the lore about the military commander behind it or even the goal behind it plus it does not seem that the human hold any grudge against the Horde for it since it is not mentioned whatsoever by anyone. I guess it didn't happen then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

closest we have is that questline where the Horde massacres fleeing Southshore and Hillsbrad civilians in Fenris Keep; and much later on Raleigh the Devout returning to reclaim Southshore and avenge the murdered comrades. That's it though

[Mehrunes]

closest we have is that questline where the Horde massacres fleeing Southshore and Hillsbrad civilians in Fenris Keep; and much later on Raleigh the Devout returning to reclaim Southshore and avenge the murdered comrades. That's it though

Pretty sure the ones in Fenris Keep are just from Hillsbrad Fields alone.

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closest we have is that questline where the Horde massacres fleeing Southshore and Hillsbrad civilians in Fenris Keep; and much later on Raleigh the Devout returning to reclaim Southshore and avenge the murdered comrades. That's it though

Pretty sure the ones in Fenris Keep are just from Hillsbrad Fields alone.

[Kallisto]

Yeah because sabotage is a lot worse than a full on invasion. It was never the intend of the Alliance to wipe them out.

It's not our intent to wipe you out while destroying the one thing stopping you going extinct. Honest.

It would be like a massive tidal wave was about to smother the entire east coast, and them trying to claim you pulling down the only defence against the wave, knowing what it would do that your intent is not to cause millions of dead Americans. No one would believe it and you look retarded trying to claim it.

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Edited to reflect how this applies every time. Horde and its fans seem to have a problem understanding scale.

Quel'thalas at this time held less strength than the scarlets or even Argent Dawn. They were not part of the horde at the time and were neutral. The invasion even if the intent wasn't to wipe them out would only be because of night elf stupidity thinking taking their only defense against the scourge out of commission would not wipe them out. Either the night elves intended to have Blood Elves exterminated and keep their hands clean, or they're too stupid to know what they were doing and shouldn't be trusted due to their stupidity.

[Ardenaso]

Pretty sure the ones in Fenris Keep are just from Hillsbrad Fields alone.

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Pretty sure the ones in Fenris Keep are just from Hillsbrad Fields alone.

Henry Maleb, Phin Odelic, and Julie Honeywell, and some more named NPCs were from Southshore