Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/
The Alliance knew about shooting the innocent goblin ships and didn't care. Jaina and Vereesa are part of the Alliance and were never punished by the Alliance for their actions. As for Taurajo, no. If you go there in game, you can see numerous dead civilians in the burning town.
We're talking about actions sanctioned by the government, AKA "legal" actions, as outlined in the title. Garithos was a warlord, who threw together a militia and called it "The New Alliance". He was acting under no authority other than himself, was not reporting his actions to, nor was he taking orders from, the actual Alliance leadership (what remained of it was in Stormwind and Ironforge)... Like Arthas purging Stratholme, Garithos' actions were not sanctioned by the Alliance governing body.
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I would consider the Blood Elves a distinct ethnic group, though you can use the term race if you prefer (though I think thats more tricky since that doesn't distinguish them from the few remaining unchanged High Elves). And most of the Sunreaver Blood Elves of Dalaran were civilians who had lived in the city as citizens peacefully for centuries. It was only a few individuals who violated the neutrality, and even if you want to blame the leadership for turning a blind eye that still doesn't justify driving ordinary people from their homes.
I'm not going to comment on the "Blood Elves tried to con humans into the Legion" silliness. If you want to go down that road I'm sure you're aware that applies equally to the Silver Covenant High Elves who actually committed the purge, and in any case that act of teaching the humans magic is the entire story of the founding of Dalaran. Purging the Blood Elves from Dalaran for the crime of founding Dalaran is a lore-mess that even Blizzard wouldn't touch.
That instance during Cata is not canon, it occurred due to a miscommunication between quest makers, the person who designed the Stonetalon quests wasn't on the same page as everyone else, he wanted to take Garrosh in one direction, and the rest of the team took him in another... Him doing that was out of character for him even during Cata.
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It's not an ethnic group as it is not comprised only of blood elves. There are no "Sunreavers customs, traditions, etc.", it's literally just a political affiliation.
It's also morally wrong to support a bloodthirsty Warchief who has no problem committing genocide, yet you aren't pointing fingers at the Sunreavers.
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Blood Elves were based on a STRONG request from a poll of Asian players where many remarked on the Horde side that they and their girlfriends wanted a non-creepy femme race to play (Source)
This was not state sanctioned. Also, if you have grievances with how Laurderon behaved, take it up with your local Warchief as Laurderon is Horde. Any heinous act committed by Laurderon against the Horde, sanctioned or not, is a Horde problem as Laurderon committed them and is part of the Horde. The people that caused those actions in life are now part of the Horde in undeath -- you can literally have a trial against them for past deeds if the Horde ever sees fit. This is not an Alliance problem what-so-ever.
Also, Blood Elves are part of the Horde too. If they have a problem with how Laurderon treated them in WC3, they can also take it up with their local Warchief as this also has nothing to do with the Alliance.
Blood Elves were based on a STRONG request from a poll of Asian players where many remarked on the Horde side that they and their girlfriends wanted a non-creepy femme race to play (Source)
Uhh...the entirety of the lore of World of Warcraft? Did we forget about the Highborne Night Elves being so drunk with power that they literally summoned Sargeras and the Burning Legion to Azeroth? Which further progressed to Medivh being possessed, which allowed the summoning of Orcs to Azeroth, who tried to chop trees to make their new home habitable but were then shot at by the Night Elves for chopping down their trees?
Had the Night Elves not brought the Legion to Azeroth's doorstep, Orcs wouldn't be here, Arthas wouldn't have had to cull Stratholme and become the Lich King, sending the High Elves (a.k.a. Sunreavers/Blood Elves) on a suicide mission to quell the undead/Outland, etc.
The biggest EVIL was their hubris and conceit. All of the events that happened in WoW happened because an Alliance leader became full of him/herself (Daelin, Garithos, Aedelas etc.)
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Having allowed the Horde to survive multiple times and each time it leading to mass slaughtering/raping/destruction at the hands of the people they've spared.
This makes the Alliance leadership also responsible for their own civilian deaths. If you let a rabid dog run free because you don't have the heart to put it down, whoever that dog kills is blood on your hands.
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But thats the embodiment of the horde. They rush in yelling, FOR THE HORDE! He did exactly that so he fits the profile.
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there was also that moment in northrend where saurfang lectured him.
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What, really? So basically blizzard just left it like that, tha hell.
But it was a nice touch seeing him do that, cuz I thought that he learned something of the speech of saurfang with '' honor, never forsake it''
It's one thing to attack military targets without warning. It's another to massacre villages. While Daelin saw the orcs as a threat that had escaped internment, the orcs saw some of their recent allies drawing arms and killing them all. Not a single orc survived to tell what had happened from those attacks, which is why it took so long for Jaina and Thrall to realize what had happened.
I'm not saying Daelin's actions were illogical, particularly given the information he had, but the post was about the worst thing someone has done legally, not the worst thing they had done knowingly. From the perspective of all other people on Kalimdor, this was a betrayal of a peace established just before the Battle of Mount Hyjal.
Oh, it was definitely a military and strategic target. For me, personally, the travesty of Theramore is 1) it seemed mostly unprovoked (I hadn't leveled through the Barrens zones in Cata, so I hadn't really seen much of that story from either perspective, and the scenario doesn't really make mention of it) and 2) the amount of force used (i.e. the mana bomb) seemed excessive. I also mained Horde through Cataclysm and MoP, so for me, the events surrounding Theramore were that it offered Baine a place of sanctuary during Magatha's coup in the intro book to Cata, and then the Horde bombed it a year or two later in the intro scenario to MoP.
I recognize that the numbered points above are opinions and can understand the other side, so I don't seek to persuade anyone or argue that people should change perspective. I just wanted to share one reaction to Theramore and why I felt the way I did about it.
I know that in the "Vulpera for a day" world quest, they do have fire mages attacking Vulpera, so presumably Vulpera are burning along with the wagons that the Alliance have set ablaze, even if they don't show it. My memory is spotty, but from the dialogue I remember, the alliance aren't attacking the caravan because they think the caravan has weapons or anything of that nature; they're attacking the caravan because the Vulpera in general were aiding the Horde. That would make it a warcrime since they're effectively attacking civilians, if I'm not mistaken.
Was thinking of the "Vulpera for a day" world quest which did make it to live with some changes to make it more palatable to Alliance players, but still features alliance fire mages attacking Vulpera and burning wagons.
umm... haven't we all made the resolution already that the Alliance of Lordaeron = Grand Alliance?
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The Alliance of Lordaeron pretty much expected Alterac to be live bait to the Horde. King Perenolde was only right in choosing the survival of his people.
The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!
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Id say they have not done a whole lot evil, but more stupidity. They should have wiped out the Orcs multiple times, and pushed the Trolls back to Zandalar, eradicated the Forsaken and struck a deal with the Tauren and Goblins. And I am a Forsaken Fan boy.
Genn is a mixed bag because he attacked the Horde unprovoked by conspiring with the captain of the ship, because they thought "Sylvanas must be up to something evil!" and she...absolutely 100% was. That's the whole "cycle of hatred" in a shellnut. Then the Horde uses that as justification to retaliate and militarize further, and on it goes.
It would be nice of blizzard to explain how the AoL became the grand alliance, they just say it sort of does. I guess the imputation is that the AoL never really ended and once Lordaeron fully fell the dwarves and gnomes just rocked up to stormwind and told the Wrynn's they were the alliance now.
I mean at least with Thrall you have to story of doomhammer making him warchief and giving him the doomhammer to establish de jure continuity.