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Founders Edition cards are being sold at a loss and will be very scarce. The coolers cost upwards of $150-$200 to manufacture.
AIB cards are considerably more expensive to get the same performance as the Founders Editions.
Nvidia will release the 3080 20GB and the 3070 16 GB sometime later at much less reasonable prices.
I already have a 2070 Super. Unless something happens that requires me to upgrade quite a bit, I will wait a bit.
Source...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxtfNcm45xk
He was spot on with everything with the nvidia Ampere launch.
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Performance is performance, regardless of how the architecture shakes out. If it works, it works.
Reference coolers are always horrible. Who the fuck actually buys reference coolers on ANY gpu?2) Reference coolers are still HORRIBLE.
This is a legit concern, but I accept it as part of getting better value and also wanting to get AMD back in the game so they can compete with nvidia and intel.3) Driver issues were bad again.
I wouldnt count burning/throttling as "works".
1) AMD doesnt let board partners to launch their card with the reference models, so a lot of people usually buy reference on launch simply because there's nothing else available.
2) Nvidia reference coolers are good performance-wise.
Yea, but it's not like it's Nvidia that is preventing AMD from pushing working drivers.
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Which is still goddamn expensive.
Also as kaelleria posted above, apparently Founders Edition cards have planned scarcity and AIB cards will be $70-$100 more expensive than FE. So it's more like 66% of the price, which is still a lot better than 2080ti was, but 2080ti was already more expensive than anything that became before it. Comparing 3080 to 1080ti launch price it's still the same and the performance increase is way less.
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They sort of did, by smashing them to the ground with 10 series and putting Radeon profits to non-existing levels. AMD is using Zen profits to drive Radeon currently. And am not blaming Nvidia for anything, just pointing out that AMD had no money to put towards Radeon for quite a while. And they had Raja.
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Have had zero issues, drivers or otherwise, and have not heard of cards burning up or throttling. Is this something relegated to references?
So be patient and wait like you have to do every time a new GPU gets close to dropping. The number of people who are asking for comp advice on this forum and getting told "wait a few months because new hotness is right around the corner" is staggering. It's also normal. Again, one month more in a series of waiting 4-6 months leading up to a new drop is nothing.1) AMD doesnt let board partners to launch their card with the reference models, so a lot of people usually buy reference on launch simply because there's nothing else available.
Lolwut? What exactly do you consider "good"? They're worse than all the non-reference coolers by about 10 degrees. That's not "good."2) Nvidia reference coolers are good performance-wise.
Agreed, however people just need to stop formulating their opinions on the early growing pains of cards. Stop being front end adopters. Wait till mid or last half of life to get stuff. I got my 5700 xt like 8 months ago and haven't had a single issue since I got it. No driver issues, no heat issues, no nothing. I appreciate people have, but you're acting like NVIDIA isn't also littered with tons of stuff like drivers bricking cards, people bitching about lots of stuff on updating drivers, rolling back to previous versions being a standard practice among nvidia, etc. They're not perfect either. I only had a few issues with my 1070 across it's life, and they were always easy to solve as well, but cmon...Yea, but it's not like it's Nvidia that is preventing AMD from pushing working drivers.
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Eh? Yea, they chose to not compete with 1070/1080/1080Ti, but Polaris was good silicon. It was better than 1060. But then again, 1060 was still competitive because of shitty boards, bad coolers and driver issues on AMD's part. Nvidia did not contribute to that.
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As I said, a lot of people couldnt buy anything other than reference on launch and also a lot of board partners have made bad cards. If you were buying Sapphire all along you probably didnt have any of those issues but again, not everyone did.
Yea, smart people will wait. But a lot of people would jump on a bandwagon, buy early, get burned and create a bad reputation for the good product because it wasnt marketed/handled/supported properly.
Good means something that is comparable at the price point (and it is competing with entry level designs that are close to MSRP), not 50 dba loud, without any overheating issues or durability concerns. Pretty much any dual axial cooler would accomplish that.
No, they dont have to. Any manufacturer has to make sure that all the critical issues are fixed before you launch it. If there's a possibility of extracting more performance out of the card later - sure, I dont care. But people need to be sure that they stuff wont blackscreen or crash. Especially since AMD is running the same fricking architecture for over a decade already.
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Some miscellaneous thoughts I've been having because I'm weird and think about these things...
The 30 series cards are going to be terrible for laptops due to their power draw.
AMD is going to have the best chance they've ever had to reach the high end laptop segment because OEMs aren't going to want to put in power hungry Intel CPUs and power hungry Nvidia GPUs.
Apparently the 3080 is beastly for Ethereum mining when OCd.. So we maybe in for another wave of nothing to be found for anything near MSRP. Not that you could buy the 3080 for MSRP, unless you luck out with a Founders Edition(from what rumors are telling us).
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I'm unsurprised that it's good at mining. Mining is hyper parallelized, and GPUs have a lot of cores, so they're good at parallelized tasks, and the 3080 is a lot better than a 2080ti, which is also really good at mining.
As for another mining craze..? I'm not sure. Didn't all the popular coins swap to ASIC miners already? GPU mining will be ineffective compared to ASICs
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