Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/
The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!
I make Warcraft 3 Reforged HD custom models and I'm also an HD model reviewer.
And again, since she wasn't the monarch, she had no say.
I suppose you have proof? Nah, this is just trying to find more reasons to hate the character. She's flawed enough, she doesn't need new flaws being invented. Also, since the alternative to the camps was executing the orcs as a clear and present threat, are you sure you want her to plead against the camps?and she didn't do any "father please don't do this the people are starving"
Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/
dut you did construct your argument with wha if's, you said "we don't know, it could be..."
there is no way of everyone dyingI Could say that they have no more forsaken like the council members that were killed and spin a narrative about how Calia has to absolutely fill that role but we don't have any thing to back that up so its just a big I don't know instead of spinning a what if.
except the color, undead thematic, undead natureSylvanas shares no appearance similarities with the rest of the undead
totally different than a pristine white human covered in gold
and that is false because even if Sylvanas was far away, Calia is way, way too worse, and it literally does matter, you are changing a gothic, dark, undead thematic character who lead dark, goth and undead people all of hen revolved around dark magic and necromancy to a pristine, white human, covered in gold revolved around the lightIt's not that they are both difference therefore they are the same its that sylvanas was already so insanely far away that going a bit further doesn't matter.
If Sylvanas was bad you do better now, not just trow shit in the fam
Sylvanas didn't need to bend the forsaken theme, they are undead, she is undead, they use necromancy, she also does.when you have a figure that doesn't match at all and instead bends the theme to fit soloy them and there little special club then throwing some one in who continues that trend a little is easier to accept.
Calia is a damn priest of the light, lightforged who will bend the forsaken to fir her special phlosophy, the alliance philosophy.
being rare is not the pointand what we see makes them incredibly rare.
basically this then:saying we have to wait and see isn't a what if.
that is evne worse, she was not eiled by a usurped, she exiled herself giving up her rightself exile is still exile.
and again, pointless, no one would have claim with this argument.and monarchy's tend to think other kingdom's can't belong to peasents in many caes and we see that it holds true in wow with people like varian acting like the frosaken have no claim.
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The alliance is suddenly their enemy, not the other way around.
She gave up that right, and the forsaken are not a monarchy anymore, she have no claim at anythingAnd also, Calia is a rightful successor of an absolute monarchy, she has every right to claim that kingdom over an usurper banshee or whatever regency was left in her place. Why would her people resist her and if they do, she also has every right to fight for her rule and if she loses it then she loses it.
who the fuck would fight for her rule? the alliance? lmao
I see I was right.
I won't address this again in detail, did it so many times already. Every second word in those two lines is wrong or one-sided and you are blaming Baine for things that Sylvanas is or would be praised for. Namely punishing people for going against his orders, establishing his authority and so on and when the Banshee outright declares that she wants to kill the entire Horde she is celebrated but Baine is the devil for killing some sick Forsaken torturers that supported the disgusting terrorist act their Dark lady was going to commit.
It's a shame that you folks feel so much hate for your own side and doubtlessly will spurn Blizzard into MoP 3.0 with another psychopathic warchief having to be deleted, guess it can't be helped.
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saying we don't know isn't a what if... I'm not taking any stance, I'm saying we don't have any info one way or another as of now I' not speculating on either possibility.
Incorrect on all bases. she's doesn't share color's she doesn't fit the same theme and she doesn't have the same undead nature as the humans as she even says in the dark mirror story, she's not the same as the rest of the forsaken and never has been.except the color, undead thematic, undead nature
they are just both extreme's on different ends neither any were close to the actual human forsaken. sylvanas is a perfect elf who's just a bit purple while not bending to the forsaken theme at all and calia is a white human not bending to the theme at all.and that is false because even if Sylvanas was far away, Calia is way, way too worse, and it literally does matter, you are changing a gothic, dark, undead thematic character who lead dark, goth and undead people all of hen revolved around dark magic and necromancy to a pristine, white human, covered in gold revolved around the light
Ya I don't disagree but who ever designed her model did apparently.If Sylvanas was bad you do better now, not just trow shit in the fam
Ya because this signifies the unedead people of lorderon so well.Sylvanas didn't need to bend the forsaken theme, they are undead, she is undead, they use necromancy, she also does.
not how divine right of kings works.that is evne worse, she was not eiled by a usurped, she exiled herself giving up her right
yes that's the point no one has a legit claim so the other moarchy's just force it as they don't care what peasants think.and again, pointless, no one would have claim with this argument.
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You were not.
Its exactly right, I've linked plenty of quests, what have you given?
The typical "you hate Baine, so you must love Sylvanas" straw argument.
Breaking Blood oaths promising all members of the Horde the right to retribution, punishing his people for defending themselves against an invading army led by violent criminals in all out war, and insulting his own dead aren't things Sylvanas has done yet.
He did that for a single human, just as he kills orcs with no regret, but angsts when forced to fight Northwatch invaders there to kill members of the Horde.
Baine is bad because he spits on the culture of the Horde, puts human lives over any Horde lives, and only ever acts to help the Alliance never the Horde.
maybe you are seing other forsaken and other sylvanas then
she doesn't fit the same theme and she doesn't have the same undead nature as the humans as she even says in the dark mirror story, she's not the same as the rest of the forsaken and never has been.
maybe this is the problem, you don't even know the forsaken/undead theme, thats why you think she have nothing to do with then.
what, you are making no sense, at all, again, if you think Sylvanas ahve nothing to do with the forsaken/undead thematic then the problem is entirely on you.they are just both extreme's on different ends neither any were close to the actual human forsaken. sylvanas is a perfect elf who's just a bit purple while not bending to the forsaken theme at all and calia is a white human not bending to the theme at all.
She staight up have more undead theme than lighforged Calia
ah yes, a crest, trully bend the forsaken theme entirely, its not like lordaeron is dead and everyone there is a rottin zombieYa because this signifies the unedead people of lorderon so well.
there is no "divine right" its not a Christian kingdom.not how divine right of kings works.
again, pointless, they can tty to take it, the horde is there to push then outyes that's the point no one has a legit claim so the other moarchy's just force it as they don't care what peasants think.
Because today's Alliance killed Sylvanas' envoys on sight, and never really ever sought to make amends for it, thus reinforcing Lordaeronian undead humans' forsaken status - even in a literal sense.
It wasn't until the advent of Anduin Sue that living humans forgot how horrifying and repulsive can be a walking corpse, especially when chances are that said walking corpse has taken an active part in many of Sylvanas' funkiest shenanigans. But as BtS showed, it was just misconceptions - nothing that couldn't be fixed in half an hour or so of friendly talk
There is difference between allying with a cow and crowning a cow.
He needs to keep these undeads on very short leash to control them. Otherwise they rebel, like Darion or Sylvanas. Even Anub'arak tried to resist.Not really. He only lost control briefly because of the Dreadlords and later because of the Light. Every undead after this is completely under his control. Like Saurfang Junior for example.
Illidan was in a process of losing mind. I assure you that this is not exactly the same as being lightforged. Compare that to people hearing whispers from the old gods. They can resist until they become k'thir.As for anyone freeing himself from the Lights grasp, well, for one there haven't been many that were controlled by it, only on AU Draenor and we know very little about them.
But one person has very clearly freed himself quite literally from it's grasp: Illidan. And he Eyebeamed the most powerful Naaru into little bits on top. Illidan is pretty powerful but even Arthas before fully becoming LK could beat him. And Velen's son killed a Naaru as well. So they are not that strong really.
Killing soldiers in his own army, saving life of enemy commander, giving military help to Alliance invaders. Do I really need to continue?What "evil" did Baine cause? Or is this again one of those lame denounciations? It is, isn't it?
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There is difference between not being racist and crowning an alien as your queen. Would you like an alien from next expansion to become a High King?
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That sounds like a glorious hero of the Alliance. You should be happy to have honour of seeing one becoming your warchief.
Are you joking? She was an arena slave of Rehgar's at the same time as Varian was then sold to a Grimtotem before escaping and rejoining Varian. She had no Horde Citzenship to give up and has even less concern for them as a whole. Why wouldn't she have taken the opportunity to join someone she had fought with and been supported by?
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Why are we still talking Alliance and Horde shit when literally everyone and their mother have stated (MORE THAN ONCE EVEN) that this faction shit's stupid?