Last edited by LemonDemonGirl; 2020-08-27 at 08:25 PM.
I don't play WoW anymore smh.
So, basically, Uther's soul was broken into two, as we see it in the video. One part absorbed into the Frostmourne, the other picked up by Devos.
And that's why Uther's ascension was impossible, because he wasn't complete and was wounded.
I even dare to speculate that this was part of Jailer's plan to start chaos in the Bastion.
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One half into the Frostmourne and the other Devos picked up.
No, I mean that the machinery of Death was broken by repeated actions - some done by Sylvanas, some by Uther/Devos, and some by other parties entirely. I kind of think of it like this:
1.) The Jailer arranges for the demons to acquire Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination, putting a portion of the Maw's power (the Jailer's power) into the physical universe beyond his cage. This is the first attack on the machinery, which shudders but keeps going.
2.) The Scourge ramps up its actions, with each soul claimed another strike against the machine - a flurry of blows that individually can be shrugged off, but collectively start to cause gears to slip and cogs to jam.
3.) Uther and Devos toss Arthas into the Maw, completing the circuit and opening or widening a fissure between the Maw and the physical universe. The Arbiter cries out in pain and the metacosm spasms in agony.
4.) Sylvanas shatters the Soulcage, delivering a final and lasting blow to the Shadowlands (perhaps unbeknownst to her at the time) and causing the machine to finally seize up and stop working completely, the Maw opens and starts hoovering in souls with lusty abandon.
That's basically the shape of the theory.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Yes, which makes sense, but it doesn't feel like its always been planned. That's what I mean here. If you're going to "recontextualize" stuff you gotta make it seamless and this just seems way too obvious to me. Like yeah obviously in Wrath, Uther was whole. Back then things were different in many, many ways, but I feel like they could have done better in this transition.
Part of all this is subjective. I don't like this glorification of the Scourge that they're doing. I don't like it at all. Sure, it will be a fun expansion, but it feels far too fanfictiony for my tastes. I know that WoW has always been retcon central, for many years, but now it's hitting lore that I find to be the best part of all of Warcraft and I guess that hits harder.
Last edited by Goldielocks; 2020-08-27 at 08:32 PM.
After this cinematic creating so many new questions, from frostmourne getting part of Uther's soul, to Uther and Devos overriding the Arbiter to send Arthas into the Maw ... it got me thinking ... how are we not going to get a Sylvanas one?!
And I'm no Sylvanas super fanboy, I understand people feel she is overexposed (I like her character though). But come on! If Arthas killed Sylvanas with frostmourne, did anything similar happen to her soul? How come when she died in Icecrown she went to the Maw? Did her actions really warrant it at that point?
Ohhhh wait ... that's when the val'kyr appeared and made the deal with her... Could Helya's/Jailer's val'kyr have taken her there like Uther and Devos did Arthas? To manipulate her? What did she see? What did the Jailer ask of her? So many questions about her story now!!
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Yeah I agree. I liked Devos.
There are so many questions about the Afterlife in Shadowlands. Especially with the Undead. I mean what about Derek Proudmoore? How long has he been on the ground of the sea. Did he spend a lot of time in the Shadowlands and then just got yeeted back?
Do people loose their memory again if they get resurrected? Do they forget everything from the Shadowlands? I don't know. I feel Blizzard wrote themselves into a corner by touching the whole "Afterlive" thing.
It is because it runs contrary to their job, they are just there to ferry souls being impartial, this entire fiasco is a very good example why the memories need t go, but before they are purged they need to be evaluated.
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Devos serves the maw in the end, the only thing she was correct about is that memories should be investigated, but they should still not be kept.
Doesn't it look like Elune intervened at the end and retrieved her soul?
Also there's the possibility that reforging the blades wasn't the exact moment, but the empowering them with 1000s of souls, maybe some bigger souls like Argus... Or it was his death in general that did it lol
I loved the WC3 background music when Uther is talking at the beginning, and the snippets of Invincible playing throughout the short.
Devos set it all up though, she wanted reforms, but most certainly the wrong ones, it sucks for the Kyrian to loose their memory, but these have to go, since they absolutely need to be impartial in their job, you can't have someone drop a soul into the maw because they believed they deserved it, it is not their job to judge.
I believe that the Lich King was/is the cornerstone of the plan to brake the order in Shadowlands. As we see in this very cinematic- "this dark agent runs free on a mortal world, with the power of the Maw itself", that bit took place before(or at the very least durring) WotLK. The events were set into motion long before Legion. Arthas is abso-fvckin-lutely going to play a HUGE ROLE in the culmination of this expansion.
So from what I gather, some Void presence is trapped into the Maw and the Light reigns supreme over the Shadowlands? That's what the Bastion lines made me feel.
The soul of Uther is divided in two. The video shows it. A blue part goes into Frostmourne and a golden one goes other way. It seems the Light intervened