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  1. #41
    While the idea is nice, unless it's easy to immerse yourself in the language (like Spanish in the USA), it's very hard to retain that knowledge.

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    I mean I know three languages ( well 2 one I can only read one of three and then at a grade school level at best).

    Unless it's a marketable language it's pretty worthless. It's also a rather difficult subject I wouldn't really want it enforced unless it was an extremely useful language to learn and not one that maybe pays an extra dollar an hour in a service industry.
    It's only useless when you only care about yourself and want to be excluded from the rest of the world, such as Americans love to try. I also speak 3 languages (english, spanish, and arabic), but I can't read/write arabic.

    I am of the mindset that all children should learn a 2nd language, of their (or parent's) choice if possible, as only good can come from it it is far from being useless what a silly thing to say. If you want to talk about useless information we are on a gaming forum absorbing a metric shit ton of information about said games it can't get more useless than that, so with that argument out of the way, there are no down-sides to learning a new language.

    EDIT: Hell Spanish should almost be required in the US at this point anyway, and it's only going to get more prevalent in the coming years don't kid yourself.
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    My 2 years of Spanish in highschool helped me a little bit but I wouldn't say it should be required. Not every single person needs it and it should largely be based on whether the person is interested in the subject. People who aren't interested in a subject won't learn it at a deeper level and they could be using that time to studying a subject that is more meaningful to them.
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    It sadly wouldn't happen due to the parents of idiot children(you know the ones that go "omg, addition and subtraction is too hard for my high schooler, change it! mind you this is an exaggeration but you get what I mean)

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    In germany you learn english by default. It started for me in like the 3rd grade.
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    I would have liked to learn German, Russian, Latin or Chinese, but no it shouldn't be mandatory.
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  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Zelk View Post
    They almost are in the UK (needed for university application) and guess what, hardly anyone can speak spanish or french anyway,
    Is Spanish even offered?

    My high school had French and German with optional latin.

    Don't know of any school that offered Spanish, its a bit useless compared to French or German here.

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    Even if it is required Unless you use it regularly you will forget most of it anyways and thus waste the money invested in learning it
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  9. #49
    To get your "Abitur" (A levels, high school diploma) you even have to learn two foreign languages. If you leave after 10th grade one is enough.

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    and I expect anyone visiting the US to speak the main one we do. English.
    Funny thing btw, German publishers make a distinction between English and American:


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    Funny thing btw, German publishers make a distinction between English and American:

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  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    It's only useless when you only care about yourself and want to be excluded from the rest of the world, such as Americans love to try. I also speak 3 languages (english, spanish, and arabic), but I can't read/write arabic.

    I am of the mindset that all children should learn a 2nd language, of their (or parent's) choice if possible, as only good can come from it it is far from being useless what a silly thing to say. If you want to talk about useless information we are on a gaming forum absorbing a metric shit ton of information about said games it can't get more useless than that, so with that argument out of the way, there are no down-sides to learning a new language.

    EDIT: Hell Spanish should almost be required in the US at this point anyway, and it's only going to get more prevalent in the coming years don't kid yourself.
    I mean...no?

    If your work is important enough its conducted in english at the moment. It might be mandarin in the future but for now any work of note is done in english with translations required when necessary.

    While we can argue on what is and isn't useful to learn I'm of the mind most mandatory education is redundant as is and specialization should happen earlier then it does now.

  12. #52
    It more or less already is, at least Swedish and English are near mandatory to pass in (to be able to continue your studies). A third language is also studied, but not required I believe (last I checked, which admittedly was about 15 years ago ).

    Studies show that knowing multiple languages increases your ability to learn in other subjects, so it's definitely something that should continue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Hunter View Post
    Is Spanish even offered?

    My high school had French and German with optional latin.

    Don't know of any school that offered Spanish, its a bit useless compared to French or German here.
    Spanish is offered more than German in my experience. It's certainly the more useful considering how many people speak the two languages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezerte View Post
    It more or less already is, at least Swedish and English are near mandatory to pass in (to be able to continue your studies). A third language is also studied, but not required I believe (last I checked, which admittedly was about 15 years ago ).

    Studies show that knowing multiple languages increases your ability to learn in other subjects, so it's definitely something that should continue.
    Do the studies show that or do they simply filter out the slower kids to get better overall results. Careful with your confirmation bias

    I actually find the push for bilingualism or beyond a strange and arguably outdated goal to achieve.

    We move closer and closer to having a universal language and as communication becomes easier and easier I would argue it is a inevitability.

    The man who can speak English right now is more valued then a man who can speak six other tongues but not a word of English...

    I would much rather we aggressively force a singular language world wide then wasting time and energy preserving dead languages to squander the time of future generations.

    It looks like it will either be english or mandarin depending on who controls the world stage in the future.

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    *shrugs*
    The person that can speak six languages but no English isn't likely to be as lost in the US as as the one that knows only English in a foreign country.
    The perspectives gained from knowing more languages should be priceless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    *shrugs*
    The person that can speak six languages but no English isn't likely to be as lost in the US as as the one that knows only English in a foreign country.
    The perspectives gained from knowing more languages should be priceless.
    Not really... there isn't many countries without areas that speak english and those lacking pay very well for even people only mildly versed in it to teaching.

  17. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    I would much rather we aggressively force a singular language world wide then wasting time and energy preserving dead languages to squander the time of future generations.
    Yeah...those who push "English only" don't typically speak the language well to begin with...
    My take...is be smarter by learning more, not less.

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Yeah...those who push "English only" don't typically speak the language well to begin with...
    My take...is be smarter by learning more, not less.
    I would argue it doesn't really matter and knowing the most valuable language is better then knowing many useless ones.

    That said I wont lie I never really enjoyed scholarly pursuits and always measured the fincial gain of them against the time it would take to complete them.

    If you want to learn a language as a hobby or a source of entertainment all the more power to you. I just don't see the benefit of making languages other then english mandatory as part of required education.

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by CastletonSnob View Post
    Here's my hot take of the day: Students should be required to take foreign language classes in school to graduate. Knowing how to speak more than one language is a great skill that will make you more attractive to future employers. Studies show that foreign languages help critical thinking skills.
    Disagree.
    I'm german, i had to take english and french in school.
    While i wanted to learn english for obvious reasons i always hated french and it made my time in school miserable. I hated it for many years and only now, in my 40s, i can appreciate that french is a really beautiful and elegant language but i don't speak or understand much of it.
    So forcing me to take french had the opposite effect on me then what you are proposing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    Not really... there isn't many countries without areas that speak english and those lacking pay very well for even people only mildly versed in it to teaching.
    Considering the loss to music, art, theatre, literature, and just how to teach people to reason that'd be?
    That'd be probably the worst thing that can happen to humanity. We must always keep multiple languages alive, even if we get a truely universial lingua franca.
    Just look at the differences between German music from the 17th century and Italian music from the same time. Why is the music different? The languages work differently.

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