EA slapped with a €10 million fine by Dutch court

[KOUNTERPARTS]

This will definitely show EA and they will certainly learn from this experience.

[BeepBoo]

No, loot boxes are not fine..at all.

Listen... I hate gambling, so I avoid loot box games in general (genshin impact being an exception, but the only reason I play that is my wife). If people really had a problem with it, they could just... not buy the stuff. If enough people didn't buy stuff, EA would re-evaluate their stance. Look at what happened to battlefront 2. Huge backlash, game crashed, now you can get the "I get everything unlocked" edition FOR FREE on epic game store or for like 11 bucks on steam.

An exploitive system where you you get utter shit 80% of the time is fine as long as people only spend x number of dollars on it?

Don't be weak and gamble. That simple. I don't go to casinos for a reason. It's fine as long as people are spending exactly how much money they want to on it. Just because you wish the game was monetized differently doesn't mean it should be regulated into being monetized differently.

[RobertoCarlos]

Don't be weak and gamble. That simple. I don't go to casinos for a reason. It's fine as long as people are spending exactly how much money they want to on it. Just because you wish the game was monetized differently doesn't mean it should be regulated into being monetized differently.

Nice victim blaming.

Just because YOU don't have gambling addiction doesn't mean others do not. Get off that high horse and try develop some empathy rather than defending predatory business practises

[BeepBoo]

Just because YOU don't have gambling addiction doesn't mean others do not. Get off that high horse and try develop some empathy rather than defending predatory business practises

Stop wanting others to protect you and start protecting yourself instead by resisting your urges. If you can't, that's on you and you should suffer the consequences of that weakness IMO. Being a victim requires someone to have taken an action against you. They didn't. They simply made an offer and idiot people accepted.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Don't be weak and gamble.

Thats what some companies like EA do, they KNOW there are people who are vulnerable. Just saying "DON'T BE WEAK" is terrible and just points the finger at the victim in this case a consumer instead of criticizing these massive big companies who treat their employees like garbage. Come the fuck on, while I'm not necessarily vulnerable to Lootboxes, doesn't mean I just ignore the threat it is to others.

Stop wanting others to protect you and start protecting yourself instead by resisting your urges. If you can't, that's on you and you should suffer the consequences of that weakness IMO.

More victim blaming and this weird faux strength narrative.

[RobertoCarlos]

Stop wanting others to protect you and start protecting yourself instead by resisting your urges. If you can't, that's on you and you should suffer the consequences of that weakness IMO. Being a victim requires someone to have taken an action against you. They didn't. They simply made an offer and idiot people accepted.

So when a 10 year old steals thier mothers credit cards to buy team of the year on fifa and maxes out her card and EA won't issue a refund because of the digital nature of the product its the mothers fault for having a credit card right? Typical internet tough guy

[BeepBoo]

So when a 10 year old steals thier mothers credit cards to buy team of the year on fifa and maxes out her card and EA won't issue a refund because of the digital nature of the product its the mothers fault for having a credit card right? Typical internet tough guy

Who's at fault if a kid gets a parent's gun and shoots themselves in the face? Hint: The parent. Keep track of your shit.

Thats what some companies like EA do, they KNOW there are people who are vulnerable.

Cool. It's easy for an addict to recognize they're an addict and take steps to break that addiction on their own. I have no sympathy.

Come the fuck on, while I'm not necessarily vulnerable to Lootboxes, doesn't mean I just ignore the threat it is to others.

THREAT lol. It's a video game. Just don't fucking play. It's not necessary for life, and I'm all about people being allowed to make poor choices such that they permanently suffer for them. Helps serve as an example of why not to be that way.

[RobertoCarlos]

Who's at fault if a kid gets a parent's gun and shoots themselves in the face? Hint: The parent. Keep track of your shit.

Guns are meant to be stored in a locked container. A lot of people don't even know what loot boxes are and are unaware you can keep spending money on video games you already own. But fuck em right they need to get with the times!

[Luciferstwin]

So... they got fined for 2 days of profits from loot boxes.... big whoop.

[BeepBoo]

But fuck em right they need to get with the times!

Pretty much. Anything I'd give to my kid, I'd know everything about. Besides that, I'd wager most of these purchases aren't even done by kids. Gonna need proof of your heartstring story that kids are accidentally abusing their parents' bank accounts.

[qwerty123456]

Listen... I hate gambling, so I avoid loot box games in general (genshin impact being an exception, but the only reason I play that is my wife). If people really had a problem with it, they could just... not buy the stuff. If enough people didn't buy stuff, EA would re-evaluate their stance. Look at what happened to battlefront 2. Huge backlash, game crashed, now you can get the "I get everything unlocked" edition FOR FREE on epic game store or for like 11 bucks on steam.


Don't be weak and gamble. That simple. I don't go to casinos for a reason. It's fine as long as people are spending exactly how much money they want to on it. Just because you wish the game was monetized differently doesn't mean it should be regulated into being monetized differently.

Thats incredibly retarded. First off they are specifically designed to target addicts and second a system shouldn't exist where you spend 20$ to get a grey consumable item worth less than a penny in the same lootbox set as a 20$ mount. Why can't they just put the mount up for 20$? Or at the very least have all the rewards 20$ mounts and you gamble on what one you get. People don't spend tons of money on lootboxes because they are fun they do so because they are addicts or they don't want the 20$ they spent to be a complete waste and so end up spending 200$ to get the only worth while item in the box. And half the time they don't even realize how much they spent because games obscure the amount you spend by making you exchange your cash for a secondary currency.

[RobertoCarlos]

Pretty much. Anything I'd give to my kid, I'd know everything about. Besides that, I'd wager most of these purchases aren't even done by kids. Gonna need proof of your heartstring story that kids are accidentally abusing their parents' bank accounts.

Do you really need me to link all the countless stories of kids maxing out their parents cards? And the companies do nothing about it and just shrug and give em a "sorry but you are enjoying your goods of random card packs online we cannot issue that refund"

A simple google search would tell you instantly and you can pick and choose your source because you'll undoubtedly refuse any source I'd link anyway because you're parent of the year and know everything about every product they touch and dont need to have faith in our systems your kids are not being exploited.

[TbouncerT]

I think one of the issue here is that the $60 price tag isn't feasible anymore, hence why loot box "mechanic" was born to bring in that extra revenue (of course there can be other reasons, but this is definitely one of them). I feel like this gambling tag is just used a a trigger word to get people going. How come buying Pokemon packs (or any trading cards) illegal under 18 (or whatever the age limit is for said country)? They are the older version of "loot boxes" but people are ok with that? I think it comes down to bad parenting, they want the companies to do the protecting than themselves. I think the bigger issue here is the mobile market with the FTP games and not necessarily require but greatly implied needing to buy gold/diamond/etc to progress in a more timely manner.

[BeepBoo]

Thats incredibly retarded. First off they are specifically designed to target addicts

Gonna need proof that the only people they're interested in are addicts. Also, gonna need proof that people who play FIFA are primarily gamblers who are looking to get their fix instead of some incidental cross section of people who have tendencies towards gambling abuse and people who like soccer.

People don't spend tons of money on lootboxes because they are fun

Again, need more proof. Lots of people have fun gambling because they get a rush when they randomly win shit. They get the sense of victory without needing to be good at anything. That's THE REASON for addiction, you know... an endorphin rush. Ergo, they DO do it because it makes them happy.

And half the time they don't even realize how much they spent because games obscure the amount you spend

Again, easy to see and equate if you pay attention and are concerned with this. The only people who don't realize are the people who don't care.

Do you really need me to link all the countless stories of kids maxing out their parents cards? And the companies do nothing about it and just shrug and give em a "sorry but you are enjoying your goods of random card packs online we cannot issue that refund"

Not the company's fault parents were irresponsible. Stop trying to offload responsibility to others. It's everyones' personal responsibility, period.

Should we refund every person who signs a bad loan contract? Allow everyone who gets buyers remorse over a new car purchase to return it? No. Fucking be an adult and live with your choices.

[RobertoCarlos]

I think one of the issue here is that the $60 price tag isn't feasible anymore, hence why loot box "mechanic" was born to bring in that extra revenue (of course there can be other reasons, but this is definitely one of them). I feel like this gambling tag is just used a a trigger word to get people going. How come buy Pokemon packs (or any trading cards) illegal under 18 (or whatever the age limit is for said country)? They are the older version of "loot boxes" but people are ok with that? I think it comes down to bad parenting, they want the companies to do the protecting than themselves. I think the bigger issue here is the mobile market with the FTP games and not necessarily require but greatly implied needing to buy gold/diamond/etc to progress in a more timely manner.

Dude.....

compare opening a pokemon card pack to opening a loot box.

They are designed for a dopamine rush with fancy colors and delays like the color of the item or player. They are university researched to be as addictive as possible so you keep opening them

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Gonna need proof that the only people they're interested in are addicts. Also, gonna need proof that people who play FIFA are primarily gamblers who are looking to get their fix instead of some incidental cross section of people who have tendencies towards gambling abuse and people who like soccer.


Again, need more proof. Lots of people have fun gambling because they get a rush when they randomly win shit. They get the sense of victory without needing to be good at anything. That's THE REASON for addiction, you know... an endorphin rush. Ergo, they DO do it because it makes them happy.


Again, easy to see and equate if you pay attention and are concerned with this. The only people who don't realize are the people who don't care.

you're only high lighting how little you actually know about loot boxes. Look up what dopamine does for a human.

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Not the company's fault parents were irresponsible. Stop trying to offload responsibility to others. It's everyones' personal responsibility, period.

Actually no companies do have a responsibility to act responsible. I cant just go out and start selling my backyard moonshine because I could kill someone.

You do actually have responsibility when selling a product and the government has oversight of that. Its why EA got a slap on the wrist in the first place.

[BeepBoo]

compare opening a pokemon card pack to opening a loot box.

Breh it is literally the same thing. Graphics don't matter. People who are into magic KNOW the orange symbols they're looking for. Or the card names. Or whatever. It is literally the same thing. Best part about magic, though, is that there is a second hand market so you can circumvent the gambling, but often times the good cards are nearly the cost of hitting the statistical likelihood if you were to just buy packs outright anyways.

Look up what dopamine does for a human.

I know what it does, I know what addiction is, and I still don't care. My late uncle was a 2 pack a day kinda guy. Quit cold turkey 5 years before dying for no reason other than he just woke up and was like "nah, don't think I will!" It's possible for people to beat it, and that's enough for me to look down on those who can't or don't.

You're do actually have responsibility when selling a product and the government has oversight of that. Its why EA got a slap on the wrist in the first place.

Let me know when this responsibility is actually a universal truth that everyone agrees to instead of just EU being EU. Till then, it's legal in tons of places and I personally favor nearly unlimited freedom.

[RobertoCarlos]

Breh it is literally the same thing. Graphics don't matter. People who are into magic KNOW the orange symbols they're looking for. Or the card names. Or whatever. It is literally the same thing. Best part about magic, though, is that there is a second hand market so you can circumvent the gambling, but often times the good cards are nearly the cost of hitting the statistical likelihood if you were to just buy packs outright anyways.


I know what it does, I know what addiction is, and I still don't care. My late uncle was a 2 pack a day kinda guy. Quit cold turkey 5 years before dying for no reason other than he just woke up and was like "nah, don't think I will!" It's possible for people to beat it, and that's enough for me to look down on those who can't or don't.



Let me know when this responsibility is actually a universal truth that everyone agrees to instead of just EU being EU. Till then, it's legal in tons of places and I personally favor nearly unlimited freedom.

Graphics dont matter......I see you're also a psychology expert. I guess marketing is a completely pointless field we can get rid of then! good to know.

Have you actually seen a FIFA card opening pack? If you get a rare/good card. It does a "walk out" where it starts going down a tunnel.... you see the nationality of the player....then their position....then the player. All with fireworks and dazzling lights going off. All those hundreds you spent you finally got a rare! What a rush.

That is what loot boxes are. And that is gambling and these products are sold to kids. Do you think its ok to encourage gambling to kids who havent even developed their brains enough to be as judgemental as you are?

[TbouncerT]

Dude.....

compare opening a pokemon card pack to opening a loot box.

They are designed for a dopamine rush with fancy colors and delays like the color of the item or player. They are university researched to be as addictive as possible so you keep opening them

You mean like the holographic cards they make? oooooh shiny!

[RobertoCarlos]

You mean like the holographic cards they make? oooooh shiny!

Well if kids were spending thousands of dollars on pokemon card packs chasing those holographics then that is also an issue. My memory of them though was people traded them and bet them on duels. They didnt steal credit cards and max them out at the local dairy like you can online. Any shop keeper with morals would also question the sale if a kid came in wanting a grand of cards as opposed to the faceless online store.

And it doesnt magically make loot boxes ok, that is just whataboutism

[BeepBoo]

Graphics dont matter......I see you're also a psychology expert.

Let me know when psychology says everyone responds to the same stimuli the same way.

What a rush.

Oh you mean like an entire game store worth of 30-40 nerds all sitting around someone opening a MTG alpha pack and cheering when there's a black lotus? Or how about 5 actual friends opening card packs in a living room from a booster box they all go in on? You're ignorant and drawing arbitrary lines in the sand and attempting to say one is worse than the other.

And that is gambling and these products are sold to kids.

Just... like... pokemon...

Do you think its ok to encourage gambling to kids who havent even developed their brains enough to be as judgemental as you are?

Nope! Which is why I'd shield my kid from it and tell them to fuck off when they begged for the CC. OR I'd even use it as a lesson opportunity. Let them take a few hits, then cut them off so they could feel the pull of addiction and gambling and force them to cope.