Flynn x Shaw short story wasn't released in Russia: additional context

[Lubefist]

He is gay but that is not his personality. He has his own personality and goals but he just happens to have a husband, no big deal.

Shocker, kinda like in real life.

[rowaasr13]

What so "tricky" about it? The game has 12+ rating in Russia - that's well into "minors" territory. "No shit plumbing in materials aimed at minors. Period." The law is THAT simple. I'm not sure how they plan to make this stupid quote in pre-patch event fly in either Russian or Chinese version.

And you know, I'm not a minor, but I still DO NOT WANT this shit in the game. I came to play hero and save world, not to be target to somebody's SJW statements.

BTW, remind me, are there high profile Horde gays or is this another Blizz's practical joke at Alliance's expense?

Ugh... just remembered that I've seen Russian translation of "Shadows Rising" in the shop today. I should've checked rating on the cover. Is there any reference to that in it?

[Lubefist]

What so "tricky" about it? The game has 12+ rating in Russia - that well into "minors" territory. "No shit plumbing in materials aimed at minors. Period." The law is THAT simple. I'm not sure how they plan to make this stupid quote in pre-patch event fly in either Russian or Chinese version.

And you know, I'm not a minor, but I still DO NOT WANT this shit in the game. I came to play hero and save world, not to be target to somebody's SJW statements.

BTW, remind me, are there high profile Horde gays or is this another Blizz's practical joke at Alliance's expense?

Ugh... just remembered that I've seen Russian translation of "Shadows Rising" in the shop today. I should've checked rating on the cover. Is there any reference to that in it?

There's romantic relations in fucking Disney movies. You have any idea how disgustingly homophobic you sound when you say that non-heterosexual relations should be R-rated?

Sadly, probably not.

[rowaasr13]

Guess what: I don't care. Do what you want at home or among grown ups. Keep it away from children. And since overwhelming majority here agree to that - you get this stated as law. That's called "democracy".

[Lubefist]

Guess what: I don't care. Do what you want at home or among grown ups. Keep it away from children. And since overwhelming majority here agree to that - you get this stated as law. That's called "democracy".

Guess what. Homosexuals are normal, they are not going anywhere and they will be even more normalized in the future. Bitter, sad and hateful individuals like you can fucking suck it up or get a stroke over it. I dont care which one tbh.

[Morgaith]

Bitter, sad and hateful individuals like you.

pot meets kettle.

[Dr Assbandit]

Guess what: I don't care. Do what you want at home or among grown ups. Keep it away from children. And since overwhelming majority here agree to that - you get this stated as law. That's called "democracy".

Lol imagine still thinking lil Timmy is going to turn gay if he saw a gay dude show even a bit of affection to his significant other. If you're fine with heterosexual folk showing affection to their partners in media then guess what, you're a homophobe and a hypocrite .

[Lubefist]

Lol imagine still thinking lil Timmy is going to turn gay if he saw a gay dude show even a bit of affection to his significant other. If you're fine with heterosexual folk showing affection to their partners in media then guess what, you're a homophobe and a hypocrite .

Pretty much what I tried to express my dude.

[ymirsson]

Guess what: I don't care. Do what you want at home or among grown ups. Keep it away from children. And since overwhelming majority here agree to that - you get this stated as law. That's called "democracy".

As said in the post just before, where is the difference to heterosexual relationships in children's media? Or are there only pornographic descriptions if its gay stuff?

[alt-ithist]

Im so sick and tired of these stories from Blizz, its all just fanservice. It doesnt further the story at all with all these side love stories. Its so uneccessary and making characters gay just for «flavour» is disgusting. We dont need to know characters sexual orientation ffs or what they do and who they do it with. Unless it has anything actually to do with the story, I dont think it should be put out. Put it on a fan service site instead, its just another cliche. I really dislike these new writers for Blizz, not only cause of this but the story doesnt even feel like Warcraft anymore. Its all a fucking mess. Im sure someone will call me homophobic, go for it.

Depends, can you honestly say you were just as disgusted with Lorthemar and Thalysra? Or Jaina and Arthas? Or Malfurion and Tyrande and Illidan? Or Thrall and Aggra? Never mind by that one, we’re all disgusted by it. Or 100s of quest we had to do to help a guys wife?

[VinceVega]

Guess what: I don't care. Do what you want at home or among grown ups. Keep it away from children. And since overwhelming majority here agree to that - you get this stated as law. That's called "democracy".

Don't let yourself get turned to the gays! Uuuuuhuhhuuuuu evil gaaaaaaaays.

I would rather they just make the game 18+ in russia and be done with it. Then we don't have to hear that constant whining about how the poor children are turned to the bad site by accidantly reading about someone happy.

This thread is going places as always.

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Depends, can you honestly say you were just as disgusted with Lorthemar and Thalysra? Or Jaina and Arthas? Or Malfurion and Tyrande and Illidan? Or Thrall and Aggra? Never mind by that one, we’re all disgusted by it. Or 100s of quest we had to do to help a guys wife?

They say the don't like it but felt for some funny reason never the urge to say something. Only now. With this. Wonder what is diffrent...

[rowaasr13]

Me: there's a law, follow it.
Lube: Bitter, sad and hateful individuals like you can fucking suck it up

Yeah, right, *yawn*. Why all the non-bitter, non-sad and non-hateful progressive and liberal individuals tend to so bitterly hate us "bitter, sad and hateful individuals"? That's a riddle for the ages.

> make the game 18+ in russia and be done with it

Of course they won't. Because money. And money trumps SJW any day.

"Stop forcing SJW down everybody's throat and be done with it" seems much simpler to me. It doesn't brings anything good to game. Not a single game became hit because of it. Actually on the opposite, many games overdosed with "the message" became a flop - MA: Andromeda comes to mind.

And what else do you expect? "Yaoi fangirl wet fantasies" were always ridiculed even among fanfics for sheer amount of stupidity and cringe. They're same as those paperback love romances, except wetter and with two males. Knowing previous Golden's works I don't expect anything better from this one either.

[Garymorilix]

Shocker, kinda like in real life.

Don't try to pretend like there is not another side to this coin.

Entertainment media prefers to... let's say "elevate" the importance of such characters' sexuality to the point where it's pushy.
Like they did to Flynn and Shaw.

[Gurahk]

In other news, water is wet.

[VinceVega]

Don't try to pretend like there is not another side to this coin.

Entertainment media prefers to... let's say "elevate" the importance of such characters' sexuality to the point where it's pushy.
Like they did to Flynn and Shaw.

No they don't. Especially not in games where it is still quite rare. For example WOW. Flynn and shaw did not get pushed onto gamers. They had a book. Which you did not have to read to understand anything ingame. They are liked to they get featuered in the new semi-artbook. That is it.
16 years of wow. That is everything from big character in that regard. Every other more importand character in wow is straight.
And nowhere in the book it was ever pushed or said it was more importand than striaght relationships which also have existed in wow abundantly.

Nearly every other piece of LGBT stuff in games is in RPG where you can make your own character. Mass Effect, Cyberpunk, Freaking sims.

The ONLY game i would agree with is the last of us 2. That was too much. But it is still the choice of the developer. Show it with your wallet.
Everytime the same BS when flynn and shaw ar mentioned... everytime...

[deenman]

Guess what: I don't care. Do what you want at home or among grown ups. Keep it away from children. And since overwhelming majority here agree to that - you get this stated as law. That's called "democracy".

Keep what away from children?normal human interactions?do you go moan at a dude kissing a girl in public also??

This may come as a big surprise to you....but....you cant ''catch the gay'',your kids will be gay or not regardless of what they see,the only difference is,will they tell you about it,or hide it out of fear because they know you are a disgusting human being..hmmm..good luck with that champ

Also there is no such thing as ''gay propaganda'',and Putin is NOT stupid,he knows this,but hes smart so he knows how to apeal to his base

[Garymorilix]

No they don't. Especially not in games where it is still quite rare. For example WOW. Flynn and shaw did not get pushed onto gamers. They had a book. Which you did not have to read to understand anything ingame. They are liked to they get featuered in the new semi-artbook. That is it.
16 years of wow. That is everything from big character in that regard. Every other more importand character in wow is straight.
And nowhere in the book it was ever pushed or said it was more importand than striaght relationships which also have existed in wow abundantly.

Nearly every other piece of LGBT stuff in games is in RPG where you can make your own character. Mass Effect, Cyberpunk, Freaking sims.

The ONLY game i would agree with is the last of us 2. That was too much. But it is still the choice of the developer. Show it with your wallet.
Everytime the same BS when flynn and shaw ar mentioned... everytime...

I mean, it's pretty pushy when you literally make official statements about "Look, they gay" and every single interview with the Author had to mention this at least once.

And personally I think it would have been much more acceptable (by me) if they just introduced 2 new characters.

You can make a new Alliance character right now, start the Tiragarde Sound quests and easily see that Flynn is not gay. Not even bi (before someone says this).
I am willing to bet money that if you asked the person who made Flynn, and the person who voiced Flynn during 8.0 they would tell you the same.

Flynn is a fun character. I don't mind if he's gay. What I do mind is using this established character and saying he is something he is not.

[THEORACLE64]

What so "tricky" about it? The game has 12+ rating in Russia - that's well into "minors" territory. "No shit plumbing in materials aimed at minors. Period." The law is THAT simple. I'm not sure how they plan to make this stupid quote in pre-patch event fly in either Russian or Chinese version.

And you know, I'm not a minor, but I still DO NOT WANT this shit in the game. I came to play hero and save world, not to be target to somebody's SJW statements.

BTW, remind me, are there high profile Horde gays or is this another Blizz's practical joke at Alliance's expense?

Ugh... just remembered that I've seen Russian translation of "Shadows Rising" in the shop today. I should've checked rating on the cover. Is there any reference to that in it?

It's got nothing to do with SJW - it's bloody humanity.

Please don't lump us in with those so-called "SJW" specials, we have nothing to do with that.

Human attraction is only political because white, straight male political dominance made it political/illegal in the first place. There's plenty of relationships in the game, from Tyrande and Malfurion, to Varian and Tiffin, so having a same sex realtionship/just another relationship and/or gender is nothing new within the game.

[VinceVega]

I mean, it's pretty pushy when you literally make official statements about "Look, they gay" and every single interview with the Author had to mention this at least once.

And personally I think it would have been much more acceptable (by me) if they just introduced 2 new characters.

You can make a new Alliance character right now, start the Tiragarde Sound quests and easily see that Flynn is not gay. Not even bi (before someone says this).
I am willing to bet money that if you asked the person who made Flynn, and the person who voiced Flynn during 8.0 they would tell you the same.

Flynn is a fun character. I don't mind if he's gay. What I do mind is using this established character and saying he is something he is not.

There is nothing in his character that says he is NOT bi. If he would have said that you would again say it was pushy and obnoxious. "why do gay poeple always have to be so on the nose", character is not on the nose, "why do they take established characters"
Characters are always straight in our minds unless explicitly stated otherwise.
Shaw never had ANY romantic inclination whatsoever. He was a blank sheet. Not even his conversation with valeera, where i am sure they allready knew what they are going to do.

And of course Blizz says it. It is something that not everyday happens in this community as gamers are notoriously sensible to stuff that is not cookiecutter.

[deenman]

There is nothing in his character that says he is NOT bi. If he would have said that you would again say it was pushy and obnoxious. "why do gay poeple always have to be so on the nose", character is not on the nose, "why do they take established characters"
Characters are always straight in our minds unless explicitly stated otherwise.
Shaw never had ANY romantic inclination whatsoever. He was a blank sheet. Not even his conversation with valeera, where i am sure they allready knew what they are going to do.

And of course Blizz says it. It is something that not everyday happens in this community as gamers are notoriously sensible to stuff that is not cookiecutter.

Its pointless to try and argue logic with bigots