Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nyel]

are you serious?

Sure, because they will return.

[Makorus]

Sure, because they will return.

Bwonsamdi absolutely, he is a fanfavourite.

Helya? They essentially killed her off. No way she will appear again

[Dragon ANX]

Man do I really miss the 77 day cycle

That pace was really amazing

[Nyel]

Bwonsamdi absolutely, he is a fanfavourite.

Helya? They essentially killed her off. No way she will appear again

The Primus banished Helya from the Maw, back to Helheim.

Doesn't sound like she's dead?

[Raetary]

Bwonsamdi absolutely, he is a fanfavourite.

Helya? They essentially killed her off. No way she will appear again

They didn't, they just shoved her back into Helheim.

[Makorus]

The Primus banished Helya from the Maw, back to Helheim.

Doesn't sound like she's dead?

They didn't, they just shoved her back into Helheim.

She's *essentially* dead. We are done with Death-related content. No one cares about Helya. This was her expansion to shine. They are not gonna bring her back.

[therumblings]

She's *essentially* dead. We are done with Death-related content. No one cares about Helya. This was her expansion to shine. They are not gonna bring her back.

That makes absolutely no sense. They brought Illidan back after he was already killed and had a second Burning Legion themed expasnion, why would they keep Helya in Helheim forever and never mention her again? Seems randomly biased.

[Raetary]

She's *essentially* dead. We are done with Death-related content. No one cares about Helya. This was her expansion to shine. They are not gonna bring her back.

They are absolutely gonna bring her back, that's the whole point of banishing her back to Helheim isntead of just making us cut her into pieces.

[Hitei]

Yes, Sanctum works the same way no matter how the Maw is unlocked, ditto the plot beat with the Arbiter. The Arbiter core doesn't have to be a sigil for the Bald Man to aim to reclaim the incomplete part of himself. What the sigils do is allow an easy way to cap off the zone storylines in a way that the Ardenweald lock doesn't.

Right but your contention here is that Ardenweald was intended to be a raid coming before Sanctum right? When what you are using as evidence is literally a single mention (that likely would have been removed if they had changed plans early on), and every other part of all four campaigns involves pushing further into the maw and Torghast, everything about Sylvanas and anduin involves Torghast, and even alpha assets point at the next raid after Nathria being maw-based.

Ardenweald lock is no more difficult than the sigils were. It also doesn't really make any sense as a main arc within the context of the story. The Jailer isn't looking for someone with nature powers that might be able to slip into Ardenweald, he's looking for someone who can sneak into Bastion. Both the Bastion and Maldraxxus efforts of the jailer are in destabilizing Bastion. Revendreth is self-contained, and then Ardenweald is a complete afterthought. Like, effectively all four covenant campaigns, the entire main Bolvar/Oribos line, the Jailer/Sylvanas/Anduin line--basically the whole expansion-- is pointing at either Bastion as the initial "shit is going down" location or Torghast.

Rather than "they managed to completely scrub absolutely everything that pointed towards a planned Battle of Ardenweald besides the one lock line, It makes much more sense that Ardenweald is the hasty contrivance, they just needed some arbitrary thing that is the primary engine for keeping the maw locked up to be tampered with at some point--they didn't write a whole big raid and storyline about it, it was just a McGuffin (like your sigil claim) that could be attacked at any point in a campaign. It wasn't intended to be the next raid, the maw was. Which is why nothing, even Ardenweald's own quest lines, places much importance on the connection. They decided since Maldraxxus and Revendreth are already in enemy hands, and Bastion is already the primary focus of the sigils, they'd toss the "lock" reference at the remaining zone, with every intention of having it dealt with in some scenario/campaign step.

If sigil content was cut and not just poorly paced like all expansions are (when have the good forces NOT "quickly reversed" into being offensive?) What was cut was probably some side content between 9.1 (SoD/Korthia) and 9.3 (Zereth Mortis) with a secondary threat and more elaborate sigil reforging.

She's *essentially* dead. We are done with Death-related content. No one cares about Helya. This was her expansion to shine. They are not gonna bring her back.

She could be full on, flat out dead and it still wouldn't matter all that much. You just had Vashj, Kael and KT come back after 12-13 years of being dead, I dunno why you'd assume Helya getting sent back home is somehow the last we'll ever see of her.

[Makorus]

That makes absolutely no sense. They brought Illidan back after he was already killed and had a second Burning Legion themed expasnion, why would they keep Helya in Helheim forever and never mention her again? Seems randomly biased.

Are you saying that Helya has the same popularity as Illidan? Sure, in 10 years time, when they make another Death themed expansion, she might come back as a leveling dungeon boss.

[therumblings]

Are you saying that Helya has the same popularity as Illidan? Sure, in 10 years time, when they make another Death themed expansion, she might come back as a leveling dungeon boss.

No she isn't, but the idea that she can't come back despite the fact she is alive and there likely will be more death expansions seems obviously wrong.

[Makorus]

No she isn't, but the idea that she can't come back despite the fact she is alive and there likely will be more death expansions seems obviously wrong.

Literally every single character in the game can come back. This is such a stupid argument. They could create some convoluted reason to bring Garrosh back.

Yeah, she can come back. But she wont come back. Because no one would get hyped or cared if she came back. It's not a case of bringing back Vash'j or Kaelthas. It's Helya.

[Hitei]

Literally every single character in the game can come back. This is such a stupid argument. They could create some convoluted reason to bring Garrosh back.

Yeah, she can come back. But she wont come back. Because no one would get hyped or cared if she came back. It's not a case of bringing back Vash'j or Kaelthas. It's Helya.

She literally already has, my guy. They brought back that "no one cares or is hyped" character from actual death once already, and then didn't kill her a second time.

[Raetary]

Yeah, she can come back. But she wont come back. Because no one would get hyped or cared if she came back.

Why is that relevant?

Why can't she come back to fullfil a secondary/minor role?
You know, like in the very expansion we are currently playing?

[Lahis]

Literally every single character in the game can come back. This is such a stupid argument. They could create some convoluted reason to bring Garrosh back.

Does Yrel's right hand man Exarch Hellscream count?

[Zulggun]

Is there actually some proof that stuff got cut instead just assuming? Like with WoD where we got tons of stuff datamined and concept art?

[Alanar]

They are absolutely gonna bring her back, that's the whole point of banishing her back to Helheim isntead of just making us cut her into pieces.

We didnt even fight her.. she just had a cameo with Odyn. Many though more was goijg to happen down the line as the story of helya and Odyn is still only partly told. Odyn is still the hero altho the story said something else.

She was like you said pushed back.. in no shape or form did we cut of her head or have some kind of closure with her. She felt random at best.. almost as some stuff got cut.

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Does Yrel's right hand man Exarch Hellscream count?

Was it sure he was even killed?

[Dracullus]

That pace was really amazing

Spliting raid and story patches was really smart. Question is, did they really abandon this model or delayed 8.1 and 9.1 forced them to release all at once (because 2-3 months post launch we need new content, but not really new raid, after that we need new tier all well).

[Landrisser]

You have no idea wtf you’re talking about

Now post that without crying.

[Sondrelk]

Spliting raid and story patches was really smart. Question is, did they really abandon this model or delayed 8.1 and 9.1 forced them to release all at once (because 2-3 months post launch we need new content, but not really new raid, after that we need new tier all well).

I think they just stopped doing it since it required keeping a tight grip over exactly when content would release, and this would fall apart as soon as something didn't release like they hoped to.

But yeah, they should have kept trying to refine it. It made each major patch less impactful by itself, but it did massively improve feeling like you had something to look forward to.