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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    Conservatives can get fucked then. s
    The problem is, they're not just going down with the ship, they're sabotaging the lifeboats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Ehhhhhhh not really. Or at least not from what I've seen. The majority of Trump-supporter Texans I've seen posting about it have been using it as proof that "Global Warming" isn't real. As usual.
    That's not intentional. It is literally that they are that fucking ignorant. The entirety of their biggest tent poles (guns, walls, religion, racism, etc.) is all based on an astounding and fundamental misunderstanding of the given subject matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    The majority of Trump-supporter Texans I've seen posting about it have been using it as proof that "Global Warming" isn't real.
    I'm sure the thought of "being right" is keeping them warm while they have no heat, electricity, water or hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I'm sure the thought of "being right" is keeping them warm while they have no heat, electricity, water or hope.
    "Frank, my fingers are starting to turn black, the frostbite is really bad!"
    "Sally, that's a small price to pay to own the libs. Shut up and go back to licking your frozen Chef Boyardee popsicle."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    "Frank, my fingers are starting to turn black, the frostbite is really bad!"
    "Sally, that's a small price to pay to own the libs. Shut up and go back to licking your frozen Chef Boyardee popsicle."
    I just think it is funny, that out of all of Texas, El Paso was the only part to be smart about winterizing their power, and joining the western cluster of electric grid. They may have spent some money in the short term, but at least they listened to the experts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    That could very well mean that 1 million employees are paid substantially LESS than $15 an hour, but it certainly is a nice move.

    It's at least a little piece of good news
    Improved hourly wages are nice but useless without improved weekly hours. The latter is Walmart usually fucks over its staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    I just think it is funny, that out of all of Texas, El Paso was the only part to be smart about winterizing their power, and joining the western cluster of electric grid. They may have spent some money in the short term, but at least they listened to the experts.
    Apparently they learned their lesson in 2011 with a smaller-scale freeze that caused similar problems.
    /s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Ehhhhhhh not really. Or at least not from what I've seen. The majority of Trump-supporter Texans I've seen posting about it have been using it as proof that "Global Warming" isn't real. As usual.
    The hard core Trump supporters will post all they want. They are losing this battle. And Abbott's attacks on renewable energy has backfired and decreased support for fossil fuels and increased support for renewables.

    Corporate America is putting into place plans to go all renewables over the next decade or so. This is exactly the goal of the Green New Deal. Maybe they are going slower than we would like, but at some point it's too late to go back.

    Paywall site but the title says it all: Ford says it will phase out gasoline-powered vehicles in Europe (by 2030).

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/17/b...dfa9dae3cc2ae2

    Ford is not the only major company gearing up to a renewable energy future.

    On a different issue, President Biden is working on Females Lives Matter, not to mention Black Lives Matter.

    Title: The White House Is Taking Women’s Issues Seriously. Really.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/16/u...dfa9dae3cc2ae2

    Another paywall article, but it seems to talk about a gender council that President Biden is setting up.

    So basically, President Biden can direct all the attention to the Senate where McConnell is given all the blame for things not getting done, while behind the scenes accomplishing pretty decent versions of a lot of the things we want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Improved hourly wages are nice but useless without improved weekly hours. The latter is Walmart usually fucks over its staff.
    A LOT needs to be done to upgrade conditions for American workers. You pointed out one of very many issues that need to be worked on.

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    https://nypost.com/2021/02/18/presid...cartons-ready/

    HOLY SHIT GUYS BIDEN CANCELED AN EVENT AND THEY CALLED AN EARLY LID, THE NY POST EDITORIAL BOARD IS FURIOUS AND THERE MUST BE SOMETHING NEFARIOUS GOING ON!

    Please ignore the absolute mountains of actual work getting done, I guess because Biden isn't jet setting all over the country and is canceling some events here and there due to weather is just the fuckin worst. What the fuck is he doing IF WE CAN'T SEE HIM DOING IT?! WE HAVE NOT MASTERED OBJECT PERMANENCE AND DO NOT KNOW IF BIDEN STILL EXISTS WHEN WE CAN'T SEE HIM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://nypost.com/2021/02/18/presid...cartons-ready/

    HOLY SHIT GUYS BIDEN CANCELED AN EVENT AND THEY CALLED AN EARLY LID, THE NY POST EDITORIAL BOARD IS FURIOUS AND THERE MUST BE SOMETHING NEFARIOUS GOING ON!

    Please ignore the absolute mountains of actual work getting done, I guess because Biden isn't jet setting all over the country and is canceling some events here and there due to weather is just the fuckin worst. What the fuck is he doing IF WE CAN'T SEE HIM DOING IT?! WE HAVE NOT MASTERED OBJECT PERMANENCE AND DO NOT KNOW IF BIDEN STILL EXISTS WHEN WE CAN'T SEE HIM!
    They have to find something to make into a non-scandal while they ignored Trump and his 300+ golf trips in 4 years, and other literally illegal shit he has done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Trump supporters live in another reality however they are making a smaller percentage of Texas voters and people will be pissed about this. This is why the GOP is working overtime to pass bills to stop people from voting.
    Abbott is really being taken to the cleaners as he tries to say things his supporters will agree with in a public forum.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-gov...052453616.html

    Title: Texas governor walks back Fox News comments on Green New Deal, says gas, coal failed in Texas freeze

    Excerpts:

    While millions of Texans were without power in below-freezing temperatures Tuesday night, Texas. Gov. Greg Abbott (R) went on Fox News and told Sean Hannity that the failure of the state's power grid "shows how the Green New Deal would be a deadly deal for the United States of America." Abbott said "our wind and our solar got shut down," which "thrust Texas into a situation where it was lacking power in a statewide basis." The main culprit for the Texas power outages is failures in the natural gas sector, though, so on Wednesday, Abbott walked back his comments.
    In a very nice way, the author stated exactly what Abbott said, and then said he was flat out wrong. Whether Abbott blatantly lied or is mind numbingly stupid is besides the point.

    "I was asked a question on one TV show about renewable, and I responded to that question," Abbott said. "Every source of power that the state of Texas has has been compromised, whether it be renewable power such as wind or solar, but also, as I mentioned today, access to coal-generated power, access to gas-generated power, also have been compromised."
    Abbott fails to mention that northern US states have wind farms that work in winter, as do Scandinavian countries. And oh yeah, the methods these other places used were suggested for use by Texas.

    And now the author just goes off on Abbott for being so wreckless with the lives of the residents of Texas.

    "Texas is still fossil-fueled," and it's obviously silly to suggest "the Republicans who run the state had accidentally adopted a Green New Deal that eliminated fossil fuels and destroyed the reliability of the grid," Michael Grunwald writes at Politico. "The real problem in Texas is the freaky weather, and unfortunately, climate change is delivering a lot more freaky weather" — a phenomenon Texas Tech climate scientist Katharine Hayhoe calls "global weirding."

    Abbott, in explaining the Texas grid failures, pleaded Wednesday that "this is a once-in-every-120-year cold front that we have to respond to." But "today, only a fool expects a hundred-year drought or flood or snowfall event to happen once every hundred years," Grunwald said, and Texas — and America — need to prepare accordingly.
    The fact that winter events that used to happen every 120 years now have happened twice in the past 10 years is clear evidence that climate change really is happening. This event really was caused by global warming as this warm version of Arctic air that is hanging around Texas is still quite a bit colder than what humans are good at living in. And yet, he still could have led Texas through this without it becoming a crisis with even moderately competent leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/s...20677918543875

    I know this won't change any minds, but it may win a few hearts.

    Biden plays Mario Kart, yo. Granted it looks to be the Switch version (I think? I only go as far as the N64 version) in an arcade cabinet, but that's probably cooler.

    You may hate his policies, but his choice of game is just fine.
    "HOW DARE BIDEN PLAY VIDEO GAMES WHILE PEOPLE ARE DYING"

    Sounds like a bunch of progressives looking for anything to latch onto to criticize biden, considering Biden already submitted his relief proposal and it's in the process of going through the legislature. Not much Biden can do unilaterally.

    Either that or some fucking hypocritical conservatives who not just three months ago said covid was no big deal.
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    I don't care if he committed tax fraud. Scoring political victories and crushing the aspirations of your political opponents is more important than adhering to moral principles.
    Knadra finally just admitting Trumpkins care more about political victories than morals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    "Frank, my fingers are starting to turn black, the frostbite is really bad!"
    "Sally, that's a small price to pay to own the libs. Shut up and go back to licking your frozen Chef Boyardee popsicle."
    Look, you just don't understand. They may lose their limbs to frostbite, they may lose their homes and livelihoods to the recession, they may lose loved ones to COVID, and they may getting radicalized by an out of control subsect of the American population which has existed since before the rise of fascism proper and helped inspire the Nazis, but at least the Democrats aren't winning. The moments the Democrats win, that's when things start to get bad. Those immoral, baby-eating fucks are trying to give those poor, uninsured Texans healthcare and stimulus relief, and no one in their right mind wants free healthcare and money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Ehhhhhhh not really. Or at least not from what I've seen. The majority of Trump-supporter Texans I've seen posting about it have been using it as proof that "Global Warming" isn't real. As usual.
    To be fair, climate change is not intuitive, which isn't helped by the fact that it's still commonly referred to as "global warming" when the two aren't actually synonymous and "global warming" implies warming, well, globally, so their ignorance is understandable. What isn't understandable is when elected officials, who are paid to be educated on these matters, are ignorant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    State college are free? I mean it seems the average debt for my state school is about 30k....
    When I graduated from my state uni, the tuition per semester was at 6k, and had been rising rapidly every year since I entered that university. This was over a decade ago.

    About 5 years ago I went to a local community college and got a good education that helped me improve on skills I already have and acquire new skills I didn't have, all for about 800 to 1000 a semester, depending on my course load.

    I too want the system fixed, and forgiveness for people who had no choice but to go into debt to pay for post secondary education... BUT he does have a point. Lots of people go to out of state ivy league schools and go into debt for tens if not hundreds of thousands and then can't pay it off? This isn't the blue version of "welfare queen". This is "You needed a car to get to and from work, and instead of getting a modest used car for about 5 grand you chose to buy a custom luxury vehicle for 200 grand."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    I don't care if he committed tax fraud. Scoring political victories and crushing the aspirations of your political opponents is more important than adhering to moral principles.
    Knadra finally just admitting Trumpkins care more about political victories than morals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    When I graduated from my state uni, the tuition per semester was at 6k, and had been rising rapidly every year since I entered that university. This was over a decade ago.

    About 5 years ago I went to a local community college and got a good education that helped me improve on skills I already have and acquire new skills I didn't have, all for about 800 to 1000 a semester, depending on my course load.

    I too want the system fixed, and forgiveness for people who had no choice but to go into debt to pay for post secondary education... BUT he does have a point. Lots of people go to out of state ivy league schools and go into debt for tens if not hundreds of thousands and then can't pay it off? This isn't the blue version of "welfare queen". This is "You needed a car to get to and from work, and instead of getting a modest used car for about 5 grand you chose to buy a custom luxury vehicle for 200 grand."
    What a silly argument. “Lots go to out of state Ivy League schools”

    There are only but so many of those! Ffs there are millions upon millions of students.


    14.8 million students are enrolled full-time.
    74.1% of all college students attend public institutions; 25.9% attend private institutions.
    71.1% of all college students attend 4-year institutions; 28.9% attend 2-year institutions.
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    Black people in america should be happy their ancestors where slaves so they could have a good live.
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    Black women are racist. Im the one trying to make her[my wife] behave like white people and not say it out loud.
    Totally not racist

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    When I graduated from my state uni, the tuition per semester was at 6k, and had been rising rapidly every year since I entered that university. This was over a decade ago.

    About 5 years ago I went to a local community college and got a good education that helped me improve on skills I already have and acquire new skills I didn't have, all for about 800 to 1000 a semester, depending on my course load.

    I too want the system fixed, and forgiveness for people who had no choice but to go into debt to pay for post secondary education... BUT he does have a point. Lots of people go to out of state ivy league schools and go into debt for tens if not hundreds of thousands and then can't pay it off? This isn't the blue version of "welfare queen". This is "You needed a car to get to and from work, and instead of getting a modest used car for about 5 grand you chose to buy a custom luxury vehicle for 200 grand."
    I frankly have no issue forgiving a chunk of debt no matter where they went to school. Every cent of that debt forgiven is something they'll spend on something else instead, which then pays actual people working in actual jobs and industries instead of paying off a handful of loan sharks so they can repeat the cycle.

    I'm disappointed by Biden's line on this, but it's possible that 1) he changes his mind (he's been president for a... day short of a month now) and 2) this puts it in the political narrative regardless.

    And, of course, it beats whatever Trump would do about it, which would most optimistically be "nothing" and, at its worst, would be "actively make the problem worse in an effort to enrich himself"
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    I have got to say, it is getting so hard to take anyone seriously. So many maga supporters are now plastering facebook with lie after lie for what Joe Biden is doing. Just today, one uncles posted a 1min long youtube video, taken Severely out of context, saying that its Joe saying that he doesn't care about the human rights violations in China and that he wont do anything because its different cultural norms.

    The Actual interview is much longer then 1minute, and naturally, includes his full statement that goes in the opposite direction to condemn them and say they will face repercussions.

    Then facebook is circulating a "news" article saying that Biden pardoned a bunch of protestors. Problem is that the article is from a satirical website. So nothing they say is real.

    Goes to show that people will hate Biden despite the amazing job he is already doing. They will find anything they can and wont fact check a single statement and will believe anything that paints him in a bad light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post

    Paywall site but the title says it all: Ford says it will phase out gasoline-powered vehicles in Europe (by 2030).

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/17/b...dfa9dae3cc2ae2

    Ford is not the only major company gearing up to a renewable energy future.
    I was thinking about this the other day. There's been a steady progression of conservative denial when it came to electric vehicles.

    70's - "Purely electric vehicles will never be a thing."
    80's - "Purely electric vehicles will never be road-worthy."
    90's - "Purely electric vehicles may be able to go on the road, but they'll never go fast enough."
    "Purely electric vehicles will never be able to be mass produced."
    "Battery technology will prevent purely electric vehicles from having a long enough range."
    "OK all of that stuff may have ended up coming true, but electric vehicles will never be affordable by the average person."
    "OK there might be economic electric vehicles, but people will always prefer combustion engine vehicles."


    It's been quite a ride of denial from the anti-renewable climate change deniers who just love to hate on electric.

    I wonder what's next? Considering that in about 2-3 decades I predict that combustion engine cars will only be made as niche custom models, and most cars will likely be electric.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    I don't care if he committed tax fraud. Scoring political victories and crushing the aspirations of your political opponents is more important than adhering to moral principles.
    Knadra finally just admitting Trumpkins care more about political victories than morals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    I was thinking about this the other day. There's been a steady progression of conservative denial when it came to electric vehicles.

    70's - "Purely electric vehicles will never be a thing."
    80's - "Purely electric vehicles will never be road-worthy."
    90's - "Purely electric vehicles may be able to go on the road, but they'll never go fast enough."
    "Purely electric vehicles will never be able to be mass produced."
    "Battery technology will prevent purely electric vehicles from having a long enough range."
    "OK all of that stuff may have ended up coming true, but electric vehicles will never be affordable by the average person."
    "OK there might be economic electric vehicles, but people will always prefer combustion engine vehicles."


    It's been quite a ride of denial from the anti-renewable climate change deniers who just love to hate on electric.

    I wonder what's next? Considering that in about 2-3 decades I predict that combustion engine cars will only be made as niche custom models, and most cars will likely be electric.
    Shit, even when those drawbacks prevented me from considering one for myself it was always because "they aren't there yet" rather than "they will never be there."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Shit, even when those drawbacks prevented me from considering one for myself it was always because "they aren't there yet" rather than "they will never be there."
    I think the only thing holding them back is more accessibility of charging stations. There are many, but the more and more appear, the more likely I will be to buy one.
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