Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Kathandira]

And nearly half of registered voters (46%) say that any Republican presidential nominee would be a better choice than Biden in 2024.

Really? I wasn't polled on this.

I bet you that is 46% of registered republicans would rather any republican over Biden. I highly doubt a significant number of democrats would vote as such in this poll....unless the usual tactic of unclear questions were being asked.

[Shadowferal]

Biden has months to improve.
Where as Trump is running out of time.

[The Stormbringer]

We get it, Biden is too old and Trump is awful. Unfortunately we don't have any other options developing, so as we tend to do in this country, we pick the lesser of two evils and keep working on improving things as best we can.

[Shadowferal]

All the dems have to do is bring abortion up.

[Kaleredar]

What's your point? It's the same poll, conducted by SSRS. CNBC reported on it.

Know what the difference is?

CNBC didn't state that "And nearly half of registered voters (46%) say that any Republican presidential nominee would be a better choice than Biden in 2024."

They stated:

Which makes sense, considering that the poll oversampled Republicans...

CNBC's reporting is better, and says what we've all thought. Did you honestly think Biden is popular? That Trump is?

EDIT - Correction, CNBC is citing a Wall Street Journal poll, different from the one CNN reported on. I still like the WSJ poll better because it doesn't oversample.

And maybe there’s something I’m missing here, but isn’t the guy that gets “46% of the vote” in a two-choice poll also known as… the guy that loses?

[Egomaniac]

CNBC also reporting it…

Biden gets low marks on economy and major concerns about his age as he looks to Trump rematch, new poll shows

Multiple outlets reporting on a debunked poll doesn't make the debunked poll any less debunked.

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And maybe there’s something I’m missing here, but isn’t the guy that gets “46% of the vote” in a two-choice poll also known as… the guy that loses?

Not necessarily when the electoral college is involved. Trump got 46% of the votes in 2016.

[Egomaniac]

Oh no! The Scandal. Interviews are edited! Won't someone think of the Children!?

[Paranoid Android]

Biden has months to improve.
Where as Trump is running out of time.

All the dems have to do is bring abortion up.

Meh. Projecting way too far out of course but I think the biggie is Saudi, Russia and OPEC I guess decreasing production of oil and raising prices. Sadly Americans are too stupid and will just blame that their 2 mile per gallon truck now costs $100 to fill. That if we did some alternative energy, aka green this doesn't happen. Again, Americans think we can drill our way out.

Also I'm still not happy how Dems and other think economy is fine when housing/rent is crazy on top of that we fight inflation with just higher interests rates, which now you can't even afford a house.

Yes if it its Trump can the Dems win on everything he is facing. Yes, abortion is very good, and I hope people don't forget or get lulled asleep that Republicans would never touch abortion nationally.

Biden has done some things, but I always criticize Dems for being passive and trying to always win on Republican failures than policies. We will see. Too far out.

[arandomuser]

President Joe Biden faces continued headwinds from broadly negative job ratings overall, widespread concerns about his age and decreased confidence among Democratic-aligned voters, according to a new CNN Poll conducted by SSRS.

There is no clear leader in a potential rematch between Biden and former President Donald Trump, who is widely ahead in the GOP primary. And nearly half of registered voters (46%) say that any Republican presidential nominee would be a better choice than Biden in 2024.

scary whatever disagreement i have with biden, and with the economy in a tough state i wouldnt vote for the guy..who literally says suspend the constitution and has a plan to put all government authority to himself ( project 2025)

and most people who identify as "centrist" from my experience are just far right, theyll be like " i like the none woke nationalist of the right, but i could get behind some socialist economic policies" and trick thimselves into thinking nationalist socialism is centrism

[postman1782]

scary whatever disagreement i have with biden, and with the economy in a tough state i wouldnt vote for the guy..who literally says suspend the constitution and has a plan to put all government authority to himself ( project 2025)

and most people who identify as "centrist" from my experience are just far right, theyll be like " i like the none woke nationalist of the right, but i could get behind some socialist economic policies" and trick thimselves into thinking nationalist socialism is centrism

The poll polled 900 Republicans, 300 democrats, and the rest independents, and it was still a statistical tie, Trump is fucked.

[Breccia]

Fact check: Biden falsely claims he was at Ground Zero ‘the next day’ after 9/11]

Correct.

He was on the Senate floor giving this speech and went the next week.

If this is the best Trump supporters have, you're not going to like 2024 very much. Trump lived in NYC, his statement was "no pictures" and to invent crowds of cheering people he saw at the time.

The difference is abundantly clear. One person got a day wrong. The other is a deplorable felon. Why anyone would simp for Trump is anyone's guess.

[AntiFascistVoter]

Observation, the ratfuckers are trying to make Biden's Age the "But her emails" of 2024.

This situation is now spiraling into a typically bizarre meta-narrative, in which people like Nate Silver are obsessing about how the mainstream media aren’t covering the issue of Biden’s age enough. The owners of CNN and NYT really miss mistah Trump as their president.

This is all actually much worse than the but her emails nonsense. In 2016 it was still possible to pretend that Donald Trump might not actually be Donald Trump after all, because “Donald Trump” was all schtick, and there was really a semi-normal person lurking underneath the schtick, plus guardrails the Constitution blah blah blah.
In 2023 it’s impossible to have any illusions about any of this any more.

[DarkAmbient]

It's not Biden's age per se. It's the decline caused by his age. Some remain sprightly and on the ball into their 90s. Sadly not so for Biden. As Matthew d'Ancona has put it in today's opinion piece entitled Joe Biden is no longer mentally well enough to be president:

"As things stand, Americans will have a choice between a presidential candidate facing serious jail time and an incumbent who can barely speak sense; between deranged criminality and advancing senility."

[Breccia]

"As things stand, Americans will have a choice between a presidential candidate facing serious jail time and an incumbent who can barely speak sense; between deranged criminality and advancing senility."

Trump is just as old and says things that are less true and/or less sensible all the time. Once again, the GOP knows they have garbage to work with and are flailing desperately. That garbage about Biden being off by a week? Trump, a mix of intentionally and unintentionally, lied thousands of times in office and both campaigns. Only a desperate person pretending not to be a Trump supporter would try to push such a thing, but then, that same person would probably lie about a bunch of other things, too.

[DarkAmbient]

Trump is just as old and says things that are less true and/or less sensible all the time. Once again, the GOP knows they have garbage to work with and are flailing desperately. That garbage about Biden being off by a week? Trump, a mix of intentionally and unintentionally, lied thousands of times in office and both campaigns. Only a desperate person pretending not to be a Trump supporter would try to push such a thing, but then, that same person would probably lie about a bunch of other things, too.

Yes, the article I linked acknowledges what you say in your first sentence. Not sure why you're referencing the GOP in response to me though, as the article was written by a British journalist for a British newspaper. I don't think he's a secret Trump supporter, being so vocally critical of him for years.

[diller]

President Joe Biden faces continued headwinds from broadly negative job ratings overall, widespread concerns about his age and decreased confidence among Democratic-aligned voters, according to a new CNN Poll conducted by SSRS.

There is no clear leader in a potential rematch between Biden and former President Donald Trump, who is widely ahead in the GOP primary. And nearly half of registered voters (46%) say that any Republican presidential nominee would be a better choice than Biden in 2024.

Are you still claiming to be a democrat?

[Breccia]

Not sure why you're referencing the GOP in response to me though.

Don't worry, I'm not. @diller gets it.

[AntiFascistVoter]

Posters that brazenly lie about themselves. Go on to troll Biden about a minor details.

Also people that are a fraction of the parent that Biden is.

[Shadowferal]

Beware of polling: The BS has already started

Team Hysteria...I like it

[Deus Mortis]

Trump is just as old and says things that are less true and/or less sensible all the time. Once again, the GOP knows they have garbage to work with and are flailing desperately. That garbage about Biden being off by a week? Trump, a mix of intentionally and unintentionally, lied thousands of times in office and both campaigns. Only a desperate person pretending not to be a Trump supporter would try to push such a thing, but then, that same person would probably lie about a bunch of other things, too.

If the president makes false statement the press should call that out, to not do so would be a disservice. Same way that every single crime Trump has committed should be called out. While a lot of people wont care, there are still some that do and they deserve to know who they're voting for.