I can agree with anyone's point of view except the black and white binary ones (ie everyone must pick the best or else the sky will fall or nobody cares about performance, they only care about the looks). Mostly because the initial porposition and advertisement for the covenants were much more meaningful and impactful and strict. Now if you don't like it, you can switch, the abilities and soulbinds were nerfed etc. For everything else: just level an alt and unlock stuff on that char, probably the covenant restrictions will be lifted at some point down the line.
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Except it is 400 DPS between the absolute best and absolute worst. I don't think many people are taking the absolute worst just cause they can. The difference between actual covenants on a lot of these is 200 or less.
And that is assuming BIS gear and maximum renown which you won't have for months.
Sims are great, but they don't really take into account real world applications.
Then you haven't raided at that level. Simple as that, to take top 10 you actually have to play a lot because lack of dps caused by shit gear, will hit a real wall.
Raiding couple days a week is already not even close to that level.'
Also don't pull numbers out of your ass because its not 500dps. At least not for vast majority of classes. And still mechanical skill is more important.
I would take mechanical god with wrongest covenant over normal player with best covenant all day any day. Any competent RL would tell you the same.
And no, people don't have the same skill, there is no such thing as two people with same amount of skill and different covenant.
But most of these groups have other factors impacting performance where covenant choice won't be there. Skill. Specs. Gear. Etc. Most people who raid try to be "optimal" but in my experience that also only goes so far. Is the guild willing to force a person to switch to a higher dps spec? How much do they work with lower skilled members to improve their rotation etc.
Of course every little bit matters but the covenant choice when compared with everything else is of little importance. It is why something that sims as best isn't always the best choice for everyone to do because the ability to play as perfect as that sim is a major factor. Lower simmed options might be better for some. Take the Legendary effects for example. Reading the Demonology Warlock guides it has recommendations for a few with one recommended as the best passive option. Does it sim lower then others that require you to react? Sure.
But in practice some may play better with the passive impact that you can largely ignore. The same exists with trinkets. Equip versus on use. Even something like that requires a person to actively be aware and hit the trinket at the right time for the best benefit. In reality does everyone do that? Or do they forget to use it, use it at a bad time, etc.
So yes while 400 dps is 400 dps. There are still plenty of other factors that need to be overcome before the covenant choice is the only issue. And if Blizzard doesn't balance encounters around picking the best covenant then it is not really a factor. It only exists as a small boost to an already struggling group.
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
I was planning on Night Fae until I leveled my DK and quickly realized that the DND ability sucked in general and I don't want to use it. So I went with Necrolords because the AOE is great and I love that it pulls adds in to me. It felt the best and the looks of the zones and armor were so much cooler.
If you're playing Holy instead of Disc, performance was probably not your top priority to begin with.
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Possibly it is due to lore/aesthetic, however Night Fae is also best for Feral and Boomkin. So anyone who plays Resto and any spec other than Guardian on 1 char really only had 1 viable Covenant choice.
The hunter breakdown is probably the most obvious: The vast majority of hunters went with performance, over 90% of BM/MM hunters are Night Fae or Kyrian.
Ironically Surv does prove a point that players who don't really care about performance do split much more evenly between the Covenants, and how few people play Surv goes to show that it is a minority of players that ignore performance when making choices.
About fun. I have fun when I do completive dps with my mates from raid and I don't hinder my guild. So yeah for "fun" I will force myself in best covenant.
Right, it just so happens that literally the worst hunter spec has a fraction of the players of the other two specs and a much more even Covenant distribution.
My speculation is very reasonable considering just how bad Surv is compared to other melee, and how bad it is relative to BM/MM. If fantasy were the major deciding factor then we wouldn't see such a large gap in Covenant distribution between MM+BM against Surv because the Covenants are relatively close in value for all 3 specs.
The breakdown: Night Fae/Kyrian/Necrolord/Venthyr
BM: 75/15/5/5
MM: 60/32/4/5
Surv: 48/22/17/12
I'm aware they don't all add up to 100%, I'm rounding for the sake of making it easier to read and to highlight the obviously enormous discrepancy in the Covenant choice distribution. It is speculation, but it isn't groundless speculation.
You, along with the rest of the players who can't handle not being 100% optimized in every facet of the game, are letting yourselves be affected in a negative way by a video game. A video game. Players like you take it too seriously and for your own sake, you should quit the game.
I almost always log out in windwalker spec, because that's what I use to do dailies. That's my point. What people log out as isn't their 'spec.' It's what they log out as.
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My point was that she is brewmaster, windwalker, AND mistweaver. Picking one is simply wrong. I am pointing out a flaw in the research method.
It isn't a flaw in the research though. Because the statistics do not require 100% accurate results to draw conclusions. You playing 3 specs equally on a character doesn't really change much. Because your covenant choice is still the same. So at least one choice is accurate for that specialization and since covenants do not change on spec switch it means that all the breakdowns apply to all 3 specializations anyways.
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
No it would show that 100% of DKs logged out while in a blood spec but the data for the M+ figures would show what spec was used when the last boss in the dungeon was used because it calculates/pulls that data from the Blizzard site/data for the leaderboards which logs the class and spec used for those timed & saved runs. I think you're failing to see that. If your brewmaster MONK ran a M+ Plaguefall it would register it on the site as your brewmaster MONK running it and add to the numbers listed for brewmaster while if your misteweaver MONK (which happens to be the same monk who was a brewmaster in Plaguefall but using a different spec) ran Mythic Theater of Pain it would be registered as a mistweaver MONK in those data. I don't understand how you don't get this.