Calia will ruin the forsaken

[Ardenaso]

Calia is literally an alliance stooge

[tommyhil622]

Calia is literally an alliance stooge

Why do you think that?

[Xilurm]

So then no one will be viable. No other person will ever experience the shared history Sylvannas had with the Forsaken. Again that can't be a good reason because then you would want them to be leaderless.

Voss is viable. That's why people don't like Calia because Blizzard seems to want to make her the leader instead of Voss.

[Rendark]

So then no one will be viable. No other person will ever experience the shared history Sylvannas had with the Forsaken. Again that can't be a good reason because then you would want them to be leaderless.

She doesn't need to go through everything Sylvannas did but she needed something, anything. Make a quest chain before she is killed where she tries to get to know her lost people better, then at the end of it turn her into a real undead. After that some more quests were she learns how it feels to be undead and have her help her people. It wouldn't be perfect but it would have been way better then what we got.

[tommyhil622]

Voss is viable. That's why people don't like Calia because Blizzard seems to want to make her the leader instead of Voss.

But if you're going to single out Sylvannas for her experience, even Voss didn't experience the specific set of events that tied Slyvannas to the Forsaken. We still dont' know who will be the leader. Voss can be the leader for all we know. But imo Voss has never been a leader she would also need some lore that can show she's capable of leading the masses.

[Lollis]

I'd like to know the rationale people have for the "you wouldn't want Nathanos as king" excuse. You do realise Calia has a legitimate royal claim to being the leader of the people of Lordaeron right?

Alliance players not wanting Nathanos is completely and absolutely irrelevant because he doesn't have a claim to Stormwind at all. It isn't the gotcha moment you think it is.

[Verdugo]

I'd like to know the rationale people have for the "you wouldn't want Nathanos as king" excuse. You do realise Calia has a legitimate royal claim to being the leader of the people of Lordaeron right?

Alliance players not wanting Nathanos is completely and absolutely irrelevant because he doesn't have a claim to Stormwind at all. It isn't the gotcha moment you think it is.

According to some Alliance posters, Forsaken cant own Lordaeron because they died. By that same logic, Calia can shove her title where light shines from.

[Lolites]

Well she's undead. But again look at Slyvannas, people should object to her, she's not from Lorderon, not even human, her body is completely intact and nearly perfect. I don't see how she's more viable than Calia under those terms.

Sylvanas was raised and for time controled by lich king as all other forsaken, she might not share race with them but she sure had common history, that spaned for quite a time since she kind of united them against LK and scourge and she was in life accomplished military leader, which was something forsaken pretty much surrounded by enemies needed desperately at the time

Calia is sister to the very man that killed forsaken and raised them as undead, she never went through the same struggle they did, she have literaly nothing in common with them but being undead, and even that went VERY different way than forsaken, she have no experience as leader (as a princes her only purpose was to be married of to some moron to secure alliance or whatever her father needed), she shown NO INTEREST in helping forsaken until she herself became undead, hell nobody even knew if she is alive or what for years, and now all of sudden she should lead people she abandoned and knows NOTHING ABOUT?! like... why?

[Velshin]

Don't care for Calia, and I play alliance, she doesn't come across as very Hordy...

Of course because she is the sister of Arthas Menethil and they were originally humans and from the Alliance.

[Lolites]

Wouldn't make sense because he's not human and he's an enemy of the Alliance.

well, he was human, calia never was forsaken...

and im pretty sure calia, who was and still is alliance member and is helping alliance is pretty much enemy of horde and forsaken...
at best she is neutral, but she never was even a member of the horde and now she should be leader of horde race? makes absolutely no sense...

[Soon-TM]

Again a better comparison would be like Thrall becoming the King of stormwind. A horde that has no hard feelings against the Alliance and wishes peace between the two.

Just imagine how would Ally players react if Green Jesus was so sit his ass in SW Keep until further notice.

[Lolites]

You would have to separate the lore from what you personally feel what doesn't matter.

actualy, given sylvanas was leader its YOU whou should separate lore and personal feelings...

[Dellis0991]

I thought Voss was the defacto leader and Calia was just there to help.....

[Lolites]

So then no one will be viable. No other person will ever experience the shared history Sylvannas had with the Forsaken. Again that can't be a good reason because then you would want them to be leaderless.

ehm... how about ALL OF FORSAKEN?! they literaly went through the same shit...

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But if you're going to single out Sylvannas for her experience, even Voss didn't experience the specific set of events that tied Slyvannas to the Forsaken.

killed by arthas? check
raised into undead? check
subdued to his will for some time and then breaking loose? check
being shunned by her own? check
fighting alongside horde for years? check
actualy helping helping her people instead of hiding somewhere? well, after brief period of denial, check

seems like she did go through the same shit, unlike Calia...

[Lollis]

According to some Alliance posters, Forsaken cant own Lordaeron because they died. By that same logic, Calia can shove her title where light shines from.

And those Alliance posters are idiots. Of course the Forsaken can own Lordaeron, but they cannot just dismiss Calia's claim simply because they died and she didn't.

Until there is an actual war concerning the ownership of the kingdom of lordaeron, it de jure belongs to Calia.

[Ardenaso]

ehm... how about ALL OF FORSAKEN?! they literaly went through the same shit...

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killed by arthas? check
raised into undead? check
subdued to his will for some time and then breaking loose? check
being shunned by her own? check
fighting alongside horde for years? check
actualy helping helping her people instead of hiding somewhere? well, after brief period of denial, check

seems like she did go through the same shit, unlike Calia...

a small correction: Voss died just before Cata and she is the new generation of Forsaken raised by Valkyr

[Lolites]

Until there is an actual war concerning the ownership of the kingdom of lordaeron, it de jure belongs to Calia.

i realy doubt that, even if she could inherit it as woman (doubtful given the settings of warcraft), the kingdom technicaly no longer exist

[Xilurm]

i realy doubt that, even if she could inherit it as woman (doubtful given the settings of warcraft), the kingdom technicaly no longer exist

What's that supposed to mean? If you think Blizzard is going to follow political standards of the middle ages then you're wrong. Especially in this day and age.

[Verdugo]

And those Alliance posters are idiots. Of course the Forsaken can own Lordaeron, but they cannot just dismiss Calia's claim simply because they died and she didn't.

Until there is an actual war concerning the ownership of the kingdom of lordaeron, it de jure belongs to Calia.

I dont think you would be calling them idiots before that stupid book. To be fair, they also propably backpedaled from that statement.

[Lolites]

a small correction: Voss died just before Cata and she is the new generation of Forsaken raised by Valkyr

point taken, havent leveled undead in ages dont realy remember that... do we know how she died?

still, raised into undead by necromantic power, so except being controled by LK, pretty much the same as other forsaken (and exactly the same as NEW forsaken), while Calia have fuck all in common with both old and new forsaken