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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    and said article says in regard to undead hunters they took up her ways IE necromancy and even has a picture of an undead hunter shooting a dark magic shot.
    It's a magical shot, but we don't know if it's dark magic. The necromancy color is usually black with sickly green accents. Purple is usually either void (dark purple) or arcane (light purple).

    Um no, you said Naxx and arc were used by third generation deathknights not second do you not remember what you just posted or is that a typo and you mean third?

    Naxx has been in use as a training ground or boot camp since the second generation which you said wasn’t a thing.
    Naxxramas existed since before Arthas becoming the Lich King, but the DKs we meet inside Naxx are third generation death knights. The second generation death knights were paladins, the first of the death knights after Gul'dan, and prior to Arthas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Those are buzzwords. What exactly is a "Banshee" ability, what how would that work as a specialization? Beyond this "Banshee spec" how would the other specializations be any different than what could be placed in the existing Hunter class?





    Yeah, but Demon Hunters' selling point is the ability to transform into a demon. That gave Demon Hunters a hook that allowed it to stand apart from other concepts. What's Dark Ranger's hook? Hunters can already shoot magical arrows.
    Those arent exactly buzzwords.. just ideas, but I never said a banshee spec, that could be a part of the spec like how voidform is shadows thing. But I am more a fan of using the dark warden and dark ranger as 2 specs. Could be a tank and dps.

    Well they dont even use or have to use hunter abillities.. its that they use a bow and that is were it kinda stops being a hunter realy. I havent seen anynone say or propose any crossovers. I even gave you another example about bow/sword playstyle that could be expanded. Hooks or literally chains could be a hook, but that would be pure death magic which idk if that would be the right approach, but it could be.

    Warcraft 3 demon hunter was nothing realy until later in wow. Monks didnt have anything either and look what we got. Blizz all made that up and created a class for wow.
    That can literally happen to any archtype as long as people have enough ideas or the other thing being.. it has to match the theme of the expansion.

    Idk.. magical arrows isnt exactly creative or anything. I dont care enough to think about 10 super unique abillities just for the sake of discussion. But some one mentioned banshee form which could mean alot of things. But I do think that possesing a player like how they did this in warcraft 3 sounds pretty unique to me. I guess more banshee then that isnt possible I guess, to get back to your question. Another niche would be so craft special arrows just for you, you son of a bitch" funny callback to warcraft 3.

    Some dont like it, but getting inspiration from the sylvanas fight or even hots could be pretty interesting.

    But once again I get that some dont like it.. i am in no way pushing this. I will try to find that fanconcept later.. it got some pretty cool ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    It's a magical shot, but we don't know if it's dark magic. The necromancy color is usually black with sickly green accents. Purple is usually either void (dark purple) or arcane (light purple).
    So dark rangers don't use necromancy then? they use void or Arcane?

    Because none of these are black with sickly green not even the Magic Sylvanus uses.

    Do you see how you might be losing your narrative In trying To claim undead Hunters don't use necromancy but dark rangers do?

    Naxxramas existed since before Arthas becoming the Lich King, but the DKs we meet inside Naxx are third generation death knights. The second generation death knights were paladins, the first of the death knights after Gul'dan, and prior to Arthas.
    Naxxramas was a Training ground/boot camp since before Arthas was the lichking or the 3rd generation deathknights existed. The ones In Naxx when it was in the plegue lands may or may not be 3rd generation but It was still a Training ground/boot camp before that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    Do you see how you might be losing your narrative In trying To claim undead Hunters don't use necromancy but dark rangers do?
    Hunters don't use necromancy, though. Dark rangers do. Also, your images are 404'ed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Hunters don't use necromancy, though. Dark rangers do. Also, your images are 404'ed.
    Wowpedia says undead hunter's followed Sylvanas in her necromantic footsteps and have a picture of a undead hunter letting off a dark purple shot which is similar In color to the ones dark rangers show.

    The pictures are also just taken from the Darkranger page you can see they use Purple shots/have a purple Aura and even Sylvanas uses a purple shot in the video I linked. No where in any of the dark ranger stuff is there black magic with Green.


    Also were just gonna ignore that you were wrong about the deathknight Training ground/boot camp then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post

    Dark Rangerbros.. it's over...
    Shovel spec when?
    OT: Wasn't this thread supposed to be about a spell being tied to a weapon? As I recall, many Legion weapons had spells tied to them, some even became talents or SL leggo effects later.
    If we get a full 9.2 patch, I'ma laugh when Hunters have to keep their Sylvy bow for M+ with equip swap macros for their real weapon. Hunter having access to a pseudo solar beam is pretty neat.
    That being said, I'm willing to bet gold that Wailing Arrow becomes a talent for Hunter in 10.0
    Edit: I'm retarded and forgot gear swapping was removed for BFA? Pls no @ me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantazma View Post
    It's in wowhead:

    New general skill:
    Wailing Arrow : Fire and enchanted arrow, dealing (185% of Attack power) Shadow damage to your target and an additional (75% of Attack power) Shadow damage to all enemies within 8 yds of your target. Targets struck by Wailing Arrow are silenced for 5 sec.
    100 yard ranged (100 yard?? o__O)

    This skill belongs to Sylvanas in the HOTS game.
    I had already heard that it would be a unlocked skill if you caught the legendary bow in the new Raid. But it looks like they decided to make it a "general skill".

    https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/patch-9...stincts-322661

    Meh, here I had hoped for Dark Ranger to be a 4th spec for rogue. A ranged with stealth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DazManianDevil View Post
    That being said, I'm willing to bet gold that Wailing Arrow becomes a talent for Hunter in 10.0
    It's possible, but I honestly doubt it. I mean, Sylvanas' bow and back piece don't land in the came category as ability-giving items such as Legion's artifact weapons, in my opinion. If you ask me, they're in the same category as Illidan's blindfold and Warglaives of Azzinoth, and Thunderfury. Which is why I find it highly unlikely that the bow's and cloak's abilities will become actual hunter abilities in the next expansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    It's possible, but I honestly doubt it. I mean, Sylvanas' bow and back piece don't land in the came category as ability-giving items such as Legion's artifact weapons, in my opinion. If you ask me, they're in the same category as Illidan's blindfold and Warglaives of Azzinoth, and Thunderfury. Which is why I find it highly unlikely that the bow's and cloak's abilities will become actual hunter abilities in the next expansion.
    Yeah, the cloak is pretty mindless. Sure I'll take the free dps but it's not even a button.
    Wailing arrow however is beefy, hits really hard ST with built in cleave damage and a 5 second silence.
    If it was brought in as a talent later I could see them removing the damage component but having it be a ranged silence in one of the utility rows.
    Time will tell, though I find it funny now that I think about it, all hunters got the Thori'dal bow effect in Cata :3
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    Just thinking...
    In the physical theory of multiverses maybe there is a parallel reality where there is no Death Knight Class in WoW (after all, they are just warriors udeads with some frost skills) and this thread is about a new 9.1 sword and this sword gives the Warrior the skill "Breath of Sindragosa".
    In this "parallel reality" all 10,000 arguments typed in this thread are identical.
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    4th spec dark rangers will never happen. how you gonna have 1 spec make you undead randomly lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DazManianDevil View Post
    Yeah, the cloak is pretty mindless. Sure I'll take the free dps but it's not even a button.
    Wailing arrow however is beefy, hits really hard ST with built in cleave damage and a 5 second silence.
    If it was brought in as a talent later I could see them removing the damage component but having it be a ranged silence in one of the utility rows.
    Time will tell, though I find it funny now that I think about it, all hunters got the Thori'dal bow effect in Cata :3
    If-- and that is a big "if" in my opinion-- Wailing Arrow ends up becoming an actual hunter class ability in the following expansion, I am certain that Blizzard is going to change the damage type of the ability (from shadow to nature, or physical, or fire, something the hunter already uses) and also change the name of the ability to better fit the hunter's theme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    The fact that hunters are getting what so many people declare is something only dark rangers have just proves dark rangers aren't unique. They're literally just undead hunters with a different name.
    This comment didnt age well... and thats because it wasnt even well to begin with.

    There were many abilities back in the day which were given to the new classes... like metamorphosis and death coil.
    Others aswell such as death and decay is consecration but you can place it and Blur is literally evasion, Chaos Nova is identical to Shadowfury but not placeable.


    I guess Deathknights are just edgy paladins and Demonhunters are edgy rogues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otaka View Post
    This comment didnt age well... and thats because it wasnt even well to begin with.

    There were many abilities back in the day which were given to the new classes... like metamorphosis and death coil.
    Others aswell such as death and decay is consecration but you can place it and Blur is literally evasion, Chaos Nova is identical to Shadowfury but not placeable.


    I guess Deathknights are just edgy paladins and Demonhunters are edgy rogues.
    If you utterly disregard lore and gameplay mechanics, sure. Your comments about DKs and DHs is correct. But thankfully more logical people don't disregard those things. Both from lore standpoints and how they function in game through NPCs, dark rangers and hunters are the exact same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otaka View Post
    There were many abilities back in the day which were given to the new classes... like metamorphosis and death coil.
    Others aswell such as death and decay is consecration but you can place it and Blur is literally evasion, Chaos Nova is identical to Shadowfury but not placeable.
    I'm not following the argument here.
    Warlocks, DK's and Dh's aren't 'new classes' they all existed pre WoW. Not to mention giving locks coil and meta was just blizzard being shortsighted and they paid for it in the long run (I mean there is still locks seething about meta today).
    Hell DnD is older than conc since it's a WCIII spell anyway and blur is pretty obviously based on the DH's WCIII passive skill which is ironically called evasion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by threadz View Post
    4th spec dark rangers will never happen. how you gonna have 1 spec make you undead randomly lol.
    The same way light forged priest have a spec that makes them shadow when in lore lightforged touching shadow makes them explode?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    The same way light forged priest have a spec that makes them shadow when in lore lightforged touching shadow makes them explode?
    it would be like death knight being a paladin spec because arthas was a paly turned dk. they would have to come up with some shadow hunter spec that isn't a real dark ranger but still shoots shadow magic arrows or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threadz View Post
    no way they ever add demon hunters. warlocks already have metamorphosis. DH are just edgy rogues anyway.
    Edgy rogues that are actually better than rogues at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threadz View Post
    it would be like death knight being a paladin spec because arthas was a paly turned dk. they would have to come up with some shadow hunter spec that isn't a real dark ranger but still shoots shadow magic arrows or something.
    Or you know like a Lightforged having a spec that would make them explode due to conflicting magics, but they'd never make a Jump that large surly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    Or you know like a Lightforged having a spec that would make them explode due to conflicting magics, but they'd never make a Jump that large surly.
    Can Lightforged not play as a shadow priest right now?

    EDIT: That was your point ignore me.
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