Did we just get a Dark Ranger skill mega buffed?

[Fantazma]

It's in wowhead:

New general skill:
Wailing Arrow : Fire and enchanted arrow, dealing (185% of Attack power) Shadow damage to your target and an additional (75% of Attack power) Shadow damage to all enemies within 8 yds of your target. Targets struck by Wailing Arrow are silenced for 5 sec.
100 yard ranged (100 yard?? o__O)

This skill belongs to Sylvanas in the HOTS game.
I had already heard that it would be a unlocked skill if you caught the legendary bow in the new Raid. But it looks like they decided to make it a "general skill".

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/patch-9...stincts-322661

[TheRevenantHero]

Yes and it further proves dark rangers are nothing but edgy undead hunters.

[Fantazma]

Yes and it further proves dark rangers are nothing but edgy undead hunters.

I already proved in the other thread that you are wrong my dude.

Dark Rangers have "roots" in Hunters but are a totally different class. Also, this isn't the first time Blizzard has given Hunter a DR skill. We already had Black Arrow.
Demon Hunter's metamorphosis was once Warlock's.

No longer am I happy if this skill that appeared in the last PTR update is legitimate.

If Blizzard wants to give Hunter all the skills of a DR I'm happy with that.

[TheRevenantHero]

I already proved in the other thread that you are wrong my dude.

Dark Rangers have "roots" in Hunters but are a totally different class. Also, this isn't the first time Blizzard has given Hunter a DR skill. We already had Black Arrow.
Demon Hunter's metamorphosis was once Warlock's.

No longer am I happy if this skill that appeared in the last PTR update is legitimate.

If Blizzard wants to give Hunter all the skills of a DR I'm happy with that.

Except no you didn't. The fact that hunters are getting what so many people declare is something only dark rangers have just proves dark rangers aren't unique. They're literally just undead hunters with a different name.

[ONCHEhap]

Except no you didn't. The fact that hunters are getting what so many people declare is something only dark rangers have just proves dark rangers aren't unique. They're literally just undead hunters with a different name.

At most they could be a Hunter spec.
But yeah they don't stand on their own as a class

[Fantazma]

Except no you didn't.

Yes I did.

Facts:
1 - Sylvanas is a Dark Ranger.
2 - In the video below we see Sylvanas (a Dark Hunger) fighting like... a Dark Ranger.
3 - Literally none of skills we see are present in Hunters today.



If I have an undead Hunter and "Dark Rangers are just undead Hunters"... I ask you:

Where's my teleport skill ??
Where's my Mind Control skill ??
Where's my dagger throwing ??
Where is my AOE skill that applies silence ??
Where are my arrows with shadow damage ??
Where are ALL my possible Banshee powers ??

[TheRevenantHero]

Yes I did.

Facts:
1 - Sylvanas is a Dark Ranger.
2 - In the video below we see Sylnanas (a Dark Hunger) fighting like... a Dark Ranger.
3 - Literally none of skills we see are present in Hunters today.



If I have an undead Hunter and (Dark Rangers are just undead Hunters) I ask you:

Where's my teleport skill ??
Where's my Mind Control skill ??
Where's my dagger throwing ??
Where is my AOE skill that applies silence ??
Where are my arrows with shadow damage ??
Where are ALL my possible Banshee powers ??

That HotS not WoW. So therefore, it is invalid. Dark rangers also don't have banshee powers. that is something ONLY Sylvanas has. Also, dark rangers have no mind control abilities in WoW.

Using HotS in a conversation about WoW is beyond asinine.

[Fantazma]

That HotS not WoW. So therefore, it is invalid.

That's the weakest argument I've ever seen. haha. No problem.
If you need to see Sylvanas (a Dark Ranger) fighting inside a WoW content... ok:

Dark rangers also don't have banshee powers.

Correct. But do you really think that Blizzard wouldn't give the playable Dark Rangers some Sylvanas Banshee powers as well as DKs have powers that should only belong to the Lich King (like army of the dead) and DHs have powers that should only belong to Illidan ( like eye beam)?

[Calfredd]

Correct. But do you really think that Blizzard wouldn't give the playable Dark Rangers some Sylvanas Banshee powers as well as DKs have powers that should only belong to the Lich King (like army of the dead) and DHs have powers that should only belong to Illidan ( like eye beam)?

Why do you keep pointing to Sylvanas? Is it because no other dark ranger has her abilities? The Lich King raised more death knights to have these powers and Illidan literally trained elves in Burning Crusade to be like him. There are many examples of npc demon hunters metamorphosing temporarily just like the player demon hunters.

[TheRevenantHero]

That's the weakest argument I've ever seen. haha. No problem.
If you need to see Sylvanas (a Dark Ranger) fighting inside a WoW content... ok:





Correct. But do you really think that Blizzard wouldn't give the playable Dark Rangers some Sylvanas Banshee powers as well as DKs have powers that should only belong to the Lich King (like army of the dead) and DHs have powers that should only belong to Illidan ( like eye beam)?

It's not a weak argument at all. Sylvanas is the ONLY banshee dark ranger. All others are just undead elves with nothing special. None of them are banshees and therefore they wouldn't have banshee powers. Repeatedly using Sylvanas as an example does nothing but prove ow asinine your argument is. Arthas and Illidan weren't unique examples because other death knights and demon hunters existed. Sylvanas is the ONLY banshee dark ranger.

So once again, you're wrong.

[F Rm]

Yes and it further proves dark rangers are nothing but edgy undead hunters.

Dark Rangers are specified as a Hero class separate to that of Hunters.

In the RPG, in order to become a Dark Ranger, first you have to have died, followed by being resurrected into undeath. The teachings, aspirations and the "afterlife" that is the Dark Ranger is literally everything that a Hunter is not. They have to unlearn/forsake everything they were taught as Rangers(in life, then being Hunters).

The fantasy behind, and the skills used by Dark Rangers, for the most part, are the defining literal opposites to what Hunters are all about. Unholy magic, necromancy, psychic mind-bending, and more.

The only thing that really speaks to their former lives as Hunters, is the fact that they still make use of a ranged weapon, despite how they do so in very different ways.

[TheRevenantHero]

Dark Rangers are specified as a Hero class separate to that of Hunters.

In the RPG, in order to become a Dark Ranger, first you have to have died, followed by being resurrected into undeath. The teachings, aspirations and the "afterlife" that is the Dark Ranger is literally everything that a Hunter is not. They have to unlearn/forsake everything they were taught as Rangers(in life, then being Hunters).

The fantasy behind, and the skills used by Dark Rangers, for the most part, are the defining literal opposites to what Hunters are all about. Unholy magic, necromancy, psychic mind-bending, and more.

The only thing that really speaks to their former lives as Hunters, is the fact that they still make use of a ranged weapon, despite how they do so in very different ways.

No they're not lmfao. The RPG isn't canon so using it as an example is invalid. Dark rangers in lore are LITERALLY just undead quel'dorei hunters other than Nathanos and the two nelf NPCs. They don't have unholy magic or psychic abilities in WoW. they have some necromancy in the form of black arrow, a spell that was part of the hunter toolkit for a while. And now hunters have wailing arrow, a spell that apparently made dark rangers special.

In short, you're wrong and have no idea what you're talking about.

[Fantazma]

Why do you keep pointing to Sylvanas? Is it because no other dark ranger has her abilities? The Lich King raised more death knights to have these powers and Illidan literally trained elves in Burning Crusade to be like him. There are many examples of npc demon hunters metamorphosing temporarily just like the player demon hunters.

When they made the playable DKs they were inspired by Arthas.
When they made the DHs playable they were inspired by Illidam.
Why should I get inspired by a simple Dark Ranger NPC (If we have Sylvanas) when I wonder what this class would be like?

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Sylvanas is the ONLY banshee dark ranger.

Yes, but just a small class initial chain-quest where we see Sylvanas giving her faithful Dark Rangers (you and I in next xpac? maybe?) and VOALÁ.... all playable Dark Rangers will be able to use some banshee powers (just like any other Death Knight has the skill "army of the dead").

It's so easy to understand this. You need to soften your heart. ❤

[TheRevenantHero]

When they made the playable DKs they were inspired by Arthas.
When they made the DHs playable they were inspired by Illidam.
Why should I get inspired by a simple Dark Ranger NPC (If we have Sylvanas) when I wonder what this class would be like?

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Yes, but just a small class initial chain-quest where we see Sylvanas giving her faithful Dark Rangers (you and I in next xpac? maybe?) and VOALÁ.... all playable Dark Rangers will be able to use some banshee powers (just like any other Death Knight has the skill "army of the dead").

It's so easy to understand this. You need to soften your heart. ❤

And that won't happen. It's idiotic and there's no lore precedent like there was with DKs and DHs. Only Sylvanas has banshee powers BECAUSE SHE'S ONLY FUCKING BANSHEE DARK RANGER.

[melzas]

Gosh, what kind of silly debate is that? Even if Sylvanas is super duper original one and only Dark Ranger that ever existed there is literally nothing that could stop blizzard from a) retcon it to be nothing special b) creating new lore to introduce this fantasy as playable class.

DHs, DKs and monks werent really wide spread outside of few special NPCs either. If Blizzard decided Dark Ranger class would make a cool addition to the current class roster, they will just add them and lore is literally last thing that would stop them from doing it.

They pulled out tauren paladins outta their asses with fuck all lore explanation. They allow shadow priest liggtforged dreanei or holy void elves. The least shamanic race out there (goblins, those guys who give 0 fucks about ancestors or respecting nature) can be shamans. Monks in pre-mop lore were literally one guy - Chen, and it wasn't even clear how cannon he actually is.

The only reason we don't have dark rangers as a stand alone class is that the class overlaps with hunter too much, so it wasn't worth it yet, but nothing can stop blizzard from adding them in the future if they change their minds about it.

[willtron]

Yes I did.
here's my teleport skill ??

Disengage

Where's my Mind Control skill ??

Eyes of the beast

Where's my dagger throwing ??

Chakram

Where is my AOE skill that applies silence ??

Blood Elf

Where are my arrows with shadow damage ??

Black Arrow

Where are ALL my possible Banshee powers ??

You're a hunter, not a banshee.

One weapon ability doesn't mean Dark Rangers are a class. Theyre a specific NPC sub class as part of a specfic faction. There are plenty of other class concepts that are way more likely to happen. I could make up 3 right now.

[GreatNameForSmurfingExTee]

If you use Sylv from HotS as comparison, where is:
My plate armor for priests? Anduin
My rolling barrel as Monk? Chen
My throw as Warrior? Garrosh
All my Worgen Hunter special Abilities? Genn
Why isn't the Hunt baseline for all DHs? Like Illidan
Gravity Lapse for all Mages and a Phoenix as pet for Pyros? Kael
Why does only Rehgar have a Ghost Wolf? And why does Thrall have Earthquake and Sundering?

Back to Sylv.:
She was Ranger-General of Silvermoon - Very good hunter.
(Somewhere here she hooked up with Nathanos) - Very good hunter (Human)
Transformation to Banshee. (welp, still hunter but 420% more edgy)
Now she is more a Hunter/Rogue/Shadow. See, you don't want a new class, you want a new multi-class system



Oh right. Tdhese are special Units. Not your normal class.

[Sondrelk]

Gosh, what kind of silly debate is that? Even if Sylvanas is super duper original one and only Dark Ranger that ever existed there is literally nothing that could stop blizzard from a) retcon it to be nothing special b) creating new lore to introduce this fantasy as playable class.

DHs, DKs and monks werent really wide spread outside of few special NPCs either. If Blizzard decided Dark Ranger class would make a cool addition to the current class roster, they will just add them and lore is literally last thing that would stop them from doing it.

They pulled out tauren paladins outta their asses with fuck all lore explanation. They allow shadow priest liggtforged dreanei or holy void elves. The least shamanic race out there (goblins, those guys who give 0 fucks about ancestors or respecting nature) can be shamans. Monks in pre-mop lore were literally one guy - Chen, and it wasn't even clear how cannon he actually is.

The only reason we don't have dark rangers as a stand alone class is that the class overlaps with hunter too much, so it wasn't worth it yet, but nothing can stop blizzard from adding them in the future if they change their minds about it.

For one making new races new classes is not the same as making an entirely new class.
Secondly, while you could concievably make a new class from shaky lore doesn't mean you should. Especially not one as unique as Sylvanas style Dark Ranger.
Why not start out with Tyrande style Priestess of hte moon? Same idea of basically a hunter except with extra abilities, only in that case you don't need to also contrive weird lore for how the class suddenly got abilities that are supposed to be limited to only a single person.
What about Anduin style priest? Basically a paladin/åriest hybrid. In theory any race that has priest and/or paladins should be able to have this class.

Most importantly though, what part of the supposed Dark Ranger class is so unique it cannot be replicated within the existing hunter specs? This is the exact same thing with Necromancers. Yes you could probably make a completely new class, it wouldnt even be that difficult, but you could also just make Unholy DK more of a caster, or give Demonology warlocks a glyph.

Just because you can doesnt mean you should. Especially when there are far more pressing classes players are waiting for that doesnt require slight retcons, isn't character limited and cannot be replicated in a different class effectively with Tinkers.

If you want Dark Rangers then it should be far easier to ask for a Green Fire style quest for hunters that changes Disengage to a short range teleport and adds black smoke effects to your shots.

[glowpipe]

so you don't need the bow anymore to get the skill ? Its baseline ? I don't see that written anywhere, and it being under the hunter in that link, doesn't mean it is baseline, you may still need to have the weapon to get the skill.

It being baseline, i kinda think this is better due to it actually being a skill. If that makes you a lot more potent in any sort of content then people without it, thats kinda wack if its purely based on rng.

But on the other hand, its cool that a item give you something unique, but it just shouldn't be anything impacting your performance. What about if you have the bow, all your shots get a distinctive death themed sylvanas effect ? purely visual

[Sondrelk]

so you don't need the bow anymore to get the skill ? Its baseline ? I don't see that written anywhere, and it being under the hunter in that link, doesn't mean it is baseline, you may still need to have the weapon to get the skill.

It being baseline, i kinda think this is better due to it actually being a skill. If that makes you a lot more potent in any sort of content then people without it, thats kinda wack if its purely based on rng.

But on the other hand, its cool that a item give you something unique, but it just shouldn't be anything impacting your performance. What about if you have the bow, all your shots get a distinctive death themed sylvanas effect ? purely visual

I wonder if the reason it is a baseline ability (if indeed that is what changed in the tooltip) Then it will be because of a programming issue where it is easier to have a abseline ability be unlocked by equipping a weapon rather than the other way around. The weapon can then safely work the rest of the expansion and then be easily removed come the next one.