Why is T5 content bad again?
Why is T5 content bad again?
I'm asking a rhetorical question in an inane thread. I just wanna hear what stupid reasons someone has. You don't want T5 content because the "try hards" will clear it faster than you can walk into kara. Before you even kill Shade of Aran by having your raid leader play Shade of Aran Chant on Discord, these people would have cleared Sunwell. We're going by Dark Souls rules here in that if you have the skill and foresight to kill a boss then you deserve the rewards. Does that cause players to leave the game when they finished the content? No... no it doesn't. Players leave the game because they stopped paying the monthly fee. This is a 15 year old game with no new content that's still charging the same fee as playing on Shadowlands, which is about $180 a year. People are going to clear it as fast as possible and then quit to go play some other game, saving themselves money. You want to slow down how quickly the content is exposed then watch as people quit the game faster. That's how Shadowlands is doing it and it clearly isn't working. if anything you should ask Blizzard to lower the monthly fee for classic players since that might help with player retention.
It's because they aren't "late" or "slow"
You're assuming that people leveled as quickly as you. It took me over a week to hit level 70 playing 5-6 hours a day min every day. Some people don't play that much or they can't every day. Some people MIGHT only be able to play 4 hours on Tues-Thurs and maybe more on the weekend. No reason to screw over the normal players just because people like myself or those who play even more than I do have already cleared the content.
Must be the players that are better, if the dad guilds of today are doing it.
Def not the content (final patch version vs initial patch), addons, weak auras, frame rates, internet speed, hardware, monitors, boss-knowledge, mechanics known, etc.
Oh wait, that's exactly what it is.
Guess we could argue that the Wright brothers were "absolute shitters" compared to the people that work at "Boeing," since we don't seem to care about context or anything.
Lolz players need to go back to fortnite with their 'i so good' attitudes as they watch asmongold.
So because some people are extremely casual Blizzard should delay launch content for months so they can catch up, because apparently they can't just do the raids whenever they get there like they would have done in the original TBC? Instead of catering the game to those who are actively playing it, they should cater the raiding specifically to those who don't have enough time to do it in the first place?
Let's release raids around casuals, if we give them 6 months they will be ready and meanwhile all the people who were ready in a week can just stand around scratching their asses for the next couple months? Impossible for the slow levellers to just do the T4 raids when they are ready and let the active players continue with their progression, like they did in 2007?
Last edited by Bigbazz; 2021-07-30 at 05:20 PM.
Probably running on a Pentium 4
I mean... yes people will still be running T4 when Sunwell comes out, but also like... they're probably trying to minimize the amount of people that are STUCK raiding T4 when Sunwell comes out.
Good example is with heroic dungeon attunement. I leveled up slightly slower than the more hardcore people, so, by the time I had hit level 70, nobody wanted to farm dungeons for rep any longer. I had to wait about 3 weeks after hitting 70 for people in my guild to want to run dungeons again, and that's just dungeons. There were plenty of issues of people not wanting to have to go back and attune people for older content in TBC, and gear progression is possibly kinda important? I don't know until we see where the T5 content leaves us, but word right now is that T4 BiS tanks are getting smacked by Hydross. Imagine it's only miserable for people who don't have T4 BiS.
Uhhh... yes... they would release the content around casuals considering that the majority of people playing WoW have always been the "casuals"
Your sub is worth the same as their sub. Nobody is asking for 6 months either lol. And, from the current tuning of the T5 content on the PTR, it doesn't look like "catching up" will be that easy to do. They probably want to try to get as many people into the content as possible, and they also don't want to just rush to BT like they did in the original release.
That's a dumb argument because we're talking about raiding, a content that casuals typically do not even take part in. But go on, you're just gonna dig yourself into agreeing with me or no longer replying.
Also, if people are dumb enough to not use resist gear for Hydross they will get smacked. It does not hit hard in good resist gear, the only issue on that fight will be the same as always, threat on phase switch.T4 BiS tanks are getting smacked by Hydross.
Last edited by Bigbazz; 2021-07-30 at 07:33 PM.
Probably running on a Pentium 4
People were stuck doing kara because they either suck or didn't have the time to commit to 25 mans. It will be the same now. And oh no, people need gear from the previous tier to go into the next one! What a novel concept of keeping content evergreen instead of throwing raids away the second the new one comes out.
If Blizzard gave a damn about player retention then they wouldn't still be charging classic players the full monthly fee for a 15 year old game. If people stop playing the game it's because they don't want to pay $15 a month to log into the game once or twice a week. They'd rather play Final Fantasy online for $15 a month to experience a whole new game. Not to log in everyday to carry a casual player who boosted to 58 and has zero clue how to play their class. This is going to be the downside of bringing back old expansions in that we know there's a beginning and an end.
Then this isn't the game for them. Shadows is and you can see how well that worked out for Blizzard. Took me two months to level to 70 and that's because I didn't boost. I was leveling my professions and focusing on doing dungeons to honored so I can quest to revered. If you feel screwed because people are clearing the content fast then how do you think people like me feel when people boost to 58 and leave me behind? It's fine when it doesn't effect you but when it does then we gotta remake the game in your favor?
Too many Heroics as normal runs are hard to find. If you want to advocate for a change in TBC then ask for dual specs and have it be free for hybrids. Epic flying is $5k and us hybrids have enough expenses on socketing and enchanting multiple sets of gear. If you can't find a tank or healer then that's because no hybrid wants to waste 100g to spec the way you want and then back to dps. Instead of trying to delay content because you're too slow.
Last edited by Vash The Stampede; 2021-07-30 at 07:16 PM.
Um..if you were in Kara week 1 and you still miss PLENTY of gear, you're doing something wrong. I'm a very very VERY casual player. I've done Kara 3 times, Gruul and mag 2 times since launch and these were PUGs that the guild runs. Between that and heroics I've completely stacked myself gear wise. I'm not BiS in every slot, but quite a few of them are or at least like, 2nd 3rd on the BiS list. Real good shit in other words.
The guildies that have been running the raids with several chars since week 1-2 have them ready for T5. I'm sorry but you're not maknig sense.
And you're also omitting the fact that back then, everything had to be discovered. Now, we have a cheat sheet for every little bit of content. Every gear slot everything is known beforehand. Every strategy, everything. There is nothing to work out, just follow the plan and dont die.
"DIE, INSECT!" - words to live by
tbh rets and warr dps not being able to easily respec is a minor issue and won't change a lot. There just isn't a lot of stuff to get for tanks there in general and tanking is just really really hard in TBC. Furthermore it just isn't fun either to tank in tbc besides bosses.
Prot palas have it slightly better and easier, but by this point most people have also realised, that pala tanks aren't really fun or easy in tbc either.
But yeah dual spec could improve the situation a bit, but most won't utilise it once they realise that with even bis raid gear it's gonna be difficult in some dungeons. Not saying that I don't want dual spec. as a feral main tank and pvp resto I'd greatly appreciate that.
You say that but how are the missing tanks? I'd have no problem specing tank to do Heroics, but mostly because I want Primal Nethers.
Not only tanking isn't fun but dps matters a lot. Helps to be dps to grind. Helps to be dps to PvP. Helps to be dps to quest. Also out of 25 people in a raid you only really need 2 tanks for the most part. Out of the 10 people you need in Kara, you only need 2 but you can get away with just one tank. Dungeons need 1 tank per 5 people.There just isn't a lot of stuff to get for tanks there in general and tanking is just really really hard in TBC. Furthermore it just isn't fun either to tank in tbc besides bosses.
If you're a feral druid then you're already both a tank and a dps. You'd need to respec to get the most of out both but you don't get terrible dps when in tank spec. It could also be that players need to stop rolling Mages and Warlocks and pick a class that can tank, but they won't.But yeah dual spec could improve the situation a bit, but most won't utilise it once they realise that with even bis raid gear it's gonna be difficult in some dungeons. Not saying that I don't want dual spec. as a feral main tank and pvp resto I'd greatly appreciate that.
#nochanges, amirite?