Upcoming Shards of Domination Set Bonus Buffs, Spit Emote Removed on TBC Classic PTR

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Sad. Guess people will have to make do with RP macros that go "/e spits at <target>!"

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I mean....wow...just wow. To think that their are actually people out there that can't handle someone doing /spit to them. What kind of people are being churned out in the world today that they are so soft and fragile?

This phenomena of fragility is truly a sad sight.

[Nimin]

Freedom of speech does not grant you freedom from consequences. You wanna say some super toxic crap? Sure. But to expect absolutely no negative kickback is just asinine. Freedom of speech does equate to freedom to be an asshole.

Aaah yes, the most classic of the pro-censorship rethorics to normalize it.

Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences(but we're never gonna define exactly what we mean by consequences so when you get ostracized, canceled, banned, doxxed, death threated, fired and all your business leeways destroyed we can just shrug saying you deserved it for saying a mere word or opinion our party didn't like)

What, you don't want that? Then don't be super toxic(and by that it means never say something we disalign with or defend your position too strongly for our tastes again since this is another term left intentionally vague so it can cover literally anything we don't like).

This doesn't even deserve a spit, it's less than that.

[Biomega]

I'd tell that person to get a fucking grip and ignore them, not mollycoddle his insecurities. It reminds me of Back to the Future when Marty kept reacting to people calling him a coward and then by the end of the trilogy finally wisened up that words are just words and assholes are to be ignored, not validated. A simple, yet great message about growing up.

If it was for you guys you'd ban the word "coward" from the dictionary. /spit

The problem with this argument is that it would similarly mean that ANY offensive word or slur now becomes okay to say. Yet I doubt that most people who put this argument forward would in fact support people throwing slurs left and right, with no moderation whatsoever. It seems they intuitively understand that there is a line SOMEWHERE, but give little thought to where that line is drawn, or why, or how, exactly.

Because this is what all this is about: drawing a new line somewhere. Why is it that people would agree it's okay to ban e.g. the n-word, yet somehow they are all about free expression when it comes to /spit or whatever. There are mechanisms at play there that need to be examined, it can't just be hand-waved away with "get over it" because that's not how this works.

[TheRevenantHero]

Aaah yes, the most classic of the pro-censorship rethorics to normalize it.

Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences(but we're never gonna define exactly what we mean by consequences so when you get ostracized, canceled, banned, doxxed, death threated, fired and all your business leeways destroyed we can just shrug saying you deserved it for saying a mere word or opinion our party didn't like)

What, you don't want that? Then don't be super toxic(and by that it means never say something we disalign with or defend your position too strongly for our tastes again since this is another term left intentionally vague so it can cover literally anything we don't like).

This doesn't even deserve a spit, it's less than that.

If you get fired from your job for saying hateful/racist/sexist/homophobic/etc comments then you literally have nobody to blame but yourself. Sure you have the right to say whatever you want and an employer is within their rights to fire you for toxic comments. You're not upset about censorship. You are clearly just upset you can't get away with saying incredibly toxic things anymore.

[rrayy]

Reason is the whales started complaining and bean counters freaked out. That's the only target audience they care about. I've seen it twice. Two times. While having playing on average 3-4 hours every day, more on off days.

What I do see is people laughing at obvious boosters in HFR XP run groups. As they should. What are they going to do about that? Remove all chat functionality? Might as well at this point.

Repeating a claim that you still cannot prove does not make it fact.

He and his fan base are not representative. Once again, you are moving goal posts. I quoted a specific example, very specific and said it does not happen. It does not.

LOL Blizzard says it's happens and is why the /spit emote was changed, a specific exam[ple was given that proves it happens yet you continue to claim it does not happen. You can stop lying now. It is very blatant at this point.

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So uhm... the spit emote is gone then, but then you can still do '/e spits on <name>' for the same effect. Right?

/spit emote is not gone. You can still use it on npcs.

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Ah yes, only remove it when it might impact sales. Classy.

While I support the removal of targeted spits, this is yet more performative shallow nonsense where only profits are the motivator behind the change - not the abuse.

Not to mention, it paint us players as the main problem of their internal issues.

LOL thisa is completely and utterly false. It isn't impacting sales and profits have zero to do with it. And "paints players as the main problem oif their internal issues"? That is beyond ludicrous. They are simply trying to clean out harassment in game, Nothing more. Sounds like someone who was harrassing others in game with the emote and is mad he can't do it anymore.

[Flaadhun]

Ok, that's it, after reading the "A Message from the World of Warcraft Team" in the Battle Net Launcher this morning, I immediately cancelled my WoW subscription. Corporate wokeness is really the cancer of our time, I wonder when people will start to realize that to censor different opinions is the actual toxic act, and not the different opinion itself. Also the removal of /spit, holy shit, if you can't handle that, then you should not use the internet at all.

/target Blizzard
/spit

[rrayy]

Ok, that's it, after reading the "A Message from the World of Warcraft Team" in the Battle Net Launcher this morning, I immediately cancelled my WoW subscription. Corporate wokeness is really the cancer of our time, I wonder when people will start to realize that to censor different opinions is the actual toxic act, and not the different opinion itself. Also the removal of /spit, holy shit, if you can't handle that, then you should not use the internet at all.

/target Blizzard
/spit

Harrassing other players does not = giving your opinion. You also just provided an example of why Blizzard was right to do what they did. Harrassment is never OK and neither is victim blaming.

[Delever]

Sexual harassment in the work space
Fake stock value reports
Dwindling playerbase
Cash shop whales upset over orange text

Guess which group of people blizzard prioritizes to protect first in the stupidest manner possible. Meanwhile you can still say the N word in TBC.

[rrayy]

Sexual harassment in the work space
Fake stock value reports
Dwindling playerbase
Cash shop whales upset over orange text

Guess which group of people blizzard prioritizes to protect first in the stupidest manner possible. Meanwhile you can still say the N word in TBC.

Yo do know that the people who mae the /spit decision a re a completely different group from who are tasked to take care of the first 3 things right?

[Cosmic Janitor]

Insulting someone is not the same as harassing someone and people do not spam it and it isn't as prevalent as you imagine it to be.

You've never done PvP if you think people don't spam it. It serves no purpose othter than to insult someone, not sure why people have such a hard-on for an emote that is mostly used by sore losers.

[Delever]

Yo do know that the people who mae the /spit decision a re a completely different group from who are tasked to take care of the first 3 things right?

They still represent blizzard. And the person making the announcement that they were going to double down on cleaning up toxicity also represents blizzard. At the end of the day people don't give a rats ass if they are from different departments. It's still a decision made by the company.
Otherwise using the same logic we could excuse the insanely contradicting nature of the different statements made after the investigation went public where one statement was apologetic towards the victims and the other one was trying to cover up saying that the investigation claims are not true and were done in an unprofessional way. I guess they are from different departments right? So it doesn't count as one blizzard.
Lastly, removing the /spit changes nothing. People who adamantly used it to this day will default to another emote like /rude or /lol. The impact will be the same once it becomes widely known that this is the new default.
What are they going to do then? Remove every emote one by one? Instead of giving an easy tool for the players that felt uncomfortable (a mute emotes tickbox) they instead decide to censor an emote.

[rrayy]

They still represent blizzard. And the person making the announcement that they were going to double down on cleaning up toxicity also represents blizzard. At the end of the day people don't give a rats ass if they are from different departments. It's still a decision made by the company.
Otherwise using the same logic we could excuse the insanely contradicting nature of the different statements made after the investigation went public where one statement was apologetic towards the victims and the other one was trying to cover up saying that the investigation claims are not true and were done in an unprofessional way. I guess they are from different departments right? So it doesn't count as one blizzard.
Lastly, removing the /spit changes nothing. People who adamantly used it to this day will default to another emote like /rude or /lol. The impact will be the same once it becomes widely known that this is the new default.
What are they going to do then? Remove every emote one by one? Instead of giving an easy tool for the players that felt uncomfortable (a mute emotes tickbox) they instead decide to censor an emote.

So? The people cleasning up the game are not the ones making the decisions on who is cleaning up the company. Two completely separate groups. Also, your argument fails because you act like they can only do one thing at a time and that the WoW deve shouldn't be working on the game in any way until the company is cleaned up. The devs still have their job to do. They are continuing to do their job while bosses ay anbove them take care of cleaning up the company,. IN no way are they making removing the emote a higher priority than cleaning up the company.

ps They haven't removed the emotes. You can still use them on any NPC you want. They just removed the ability to target other players. Saying they are removed is to be disingenuous.

[MrPaladinGuy]

inb4 this game becomes such a safe space that unrequested linking of damage meters in any type of chat = harassment.

[Voidism]

Repeating a claim that you still cannot prove does not make it fact.


LOL Blizzard says it's happens and is why the /spit emote was changed, a specific exam[ple was given that proves it happens yet you continue to claim it does not happen. You can stop lying now. It is very blatant at this point.

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/spit emote is not gone. You can still use it on npcs.

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LOL thisa is completely and utterly false. It isn't impacting sales and profits have zero to do with it. And "paints players as the main problem oif their internal issues"? That is beyond ludicrous. They are simply trying to clean out harassment in game, Nothing more. Sounds like someone who was harrassing others in game with the emote and is mad he can't do it anymore.

"While I support the removal of targeted spits"

Hmm... yes... I'm totally am against removing it. ������

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Repeating a claim that you still cannot prove does not make it fact.


LOL Blizzard says it's happens and is why the /spit emote was changed, a specific exam[ple was given that proves it happens yet you continue to claim it does not happen. You can stop lying now. It is very blatant at this point.

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/spit emote is not gone. You can still use it on npcs.

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LOL thisa is completely and utterly false. It isn't impacting sales and profits have zero to do with it. And "paints players as the main problem oif their internal issues"? That is beyond ludicrous. They are simply trying to clean out harassment in game, Nothing more. Sounds like someone who was harrassing others in game with the emote and is mad he can't do it anymore.

"While I support the removal of targeted spits"

Hmm... yes... I'm totally am against removing it.

[Scorched2Black]

emote removal will help female Blizzard staff from being molested.
"anti toxicity tech" in-game will create equal treatment for female employees at Blizzard.

It's the toxic player base, that's totally the priority. Point the fingers away from who signs your paycheck and back at the players, bravo white male developers.

[Alkizon]

In other words, controlled interactive individual self moderation by "mature" player is worse solution than ban emotes and put stupid automatic counter on reports with distribution of auto-mute... oh, yes! You're moving in a very "right" direction

Naturally, hype around Classic and its “survival conditions” may help a little in favorable outcome, but everything will depend on how much devs succeed in authenticating experience = playing conditions. All conversations and work will be empty without them. Moreover, these aren't just loud words, because even such trifle as chat moderation rules (you can decide only for yourself and shouldn't for others) can be important, since is main mechanism of communication = valid condition (illogical/cheat-able/brutal conditions leads to desire for attackers to take advantage of them, and - to avoid of using for respectable people).

This isn't even sarcasm already, but rather ordinary laugh of person tired of being surprised. I hasten to upset you, but toxicity of your audience is not so much in words as in behavior, and ability to "correct" it is often prohibited by your "newfangled innovations". Your design is hindrance to that, and your feigned "decency" is its inspiration. Good luck, of course, but I'm afraid, that you have no idea how wrong you are in choosing of impact's direction

ps. However, they may not consider their audience "mature", adequate and capable of making independent decisions.
I can "spit" on people without using emotes, how are you going to deal with this?

[Celebhil]

yall want to care about "toxicity", how about botters, how about asshatts dominating the public group forum promising mythic dungeon and raid clears for gold and/or money (at this point with the wow token, whats the difference?) What about botters in general hogging mineral and herb nodes? All those things undermine the quality of the gaming experience and blizzard hasnt done anything realistically to squash this kind of bad sportsmanship.

[rrayy]

emote removal will help female Blizzard staff from being molested.
"anti toxicity tech" in-game will create equal treatment for female employees at Blizzard.

It's the toxic player base, that's totally the priority. Point the fingers away from who signs your paycheck and back at the players, bravo white male developers.

One has nothing to do with the other. the devs are cleaning up the toxicity in their game. It is not their job to clean up the company. That is for their bosses to handle. People need to stop with this dishonest BS,

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You've never done PvP if you think people don't spam it. It serves no purpose othter than to insult someone, not sure why people have such a hard-on for an emote that is mostly used by sore losers.

IN PvP that is role play. Using it to harrass players who bought a mount is not. You not being able to see the difference is on you.

[mbit]

This is just trying to ban social shaming for bad behaviour. Its hilarious how some now try to twist it and pretend the shaming is the bad and not the behaviour initiating it.

[justandulas]

No, spitting on players isn’t toxic. It’s a tale as old as vanilla

What IS toxic is introducing mtx into a 15 year old game, what IS toxic is paying for mtx in a 15 year old game which only encourages more.

Imagine turning on ocarina of time and being hit with mtx. Imagine turning on Mario kart 64 and needing cash to buy another character. It’s like that

Mtx have 0 place in tbc and that’s what’s toxic, Blizz adding it and then whales supporting that. Shameful