Let's be real, most of the quitters and streamers will be back next expansion (hype)

[Bodakane]

I'll never understand following people who play the same game you do, and then valuing their opinions.

I mean, you're playing the game and should have your own opinion, who cares what they think??????!?!?! Its just so damn weird to me.

[Sorrior]

Next expansion? Try a month or two.

That's FFXIV expansion time soooo HIGHLY unlikely

[Queen of Hamsters]

More likely the moment they can get views from any major new WoW content. A .5 patch isn't all that fantastic.

Not a follower of most of them, though gonna be funny watching the cognitive dissonance of their fanboys when it happens.

[Bee76]

Let's be real, most of the quitters and streamers will be back next expansion when all the hype comes in.

Drama sells, so yes. Most streamers will come back for a next patch/xpac/game release to that "evul" company. Then they will stay for the start, feed the hype, get as many views/viewers as possbile, and if the normal lifecicle of an xpac happes, they will start the drama again, and quit with big words.
Most of them (not all) try to drain as much money out of a game as possible, and as soon as there is another game more promising, they will switch. Thats one of the reasons is simply dont watch streamers and why i dont care about them.
If i like a game i will play it, if i start to get bored i stop playing it.

[korijenkins]

Yeah I really doubt that one, bud.

Most quitters saw the incompetence firsthand when Blizzard was routinely warned about the flaws of this expansion's gimmicks (systems) and did nothing about it. They mentioned a rip cord and only pulled it after everyone fucked off.

Combined with the lawsuit, lack of work being done, and other things, I'm not certain they can even produce a completed expansion anytime soon.

[Kokolums]

Disagree. I have said ever since Blitzchung that Blizzard was one more Blitzchung level event from killing this thing. And we got it. Now streamers are gone. I think its over. The final nail will be Ion leaving WoW. The bulk of the people left are here only for Ion and his great raids. Once he's out the door, full collapse.

[deenman]

Let's be real, most of the quitters and streamers will be back next expansion when all the hype comes in. That's why I can't take all these streamers serious (Asmongold, Preach, Bellullar, etc.) when they say they are most likely done with WoW. We all know when the next expansion cinematic comes and the hype is off the charts they will all come crawling back again. They cannot escape the WoW cycle.

This is not only streamers but majority of the quitters as well. I have seen this happen too many times to count.

asmon didnt even say hes quiting wow,just that if the next expansion is as shit as the last 3 that he PROBABLY would quit

preach mostly quit because of the company issues not the wow stuff,so unless those improve i dont see him coming back

and did bell quit?i see him covering wow every hour lol

also yeah,ofc people will come back but the numbers drop off has never been this bad,so idk,only time will tell

[Rendark]

I'll never understand following people who play the same game you do, and then valuing their opinions.

I mean, you're playing the game and should have your own opinion, who cares what they think??????!?!?! Its just so damn weird to me.

So what you're saying is people are not allowed to share the same opinions of other people because they are streamers?

[WowIsDead64]

I do not think 10.0 will be any different, a better question might be: Can 10 be different?

The executive and the development team are the same.

If their sub loss hits them hard enough then there might be a slim chance their MO will change.

This depends solely on players themselves. Do they understand, that they shouldn't buy bad product this time or not? If players won't pre-order 10.0 right after it's announcement, that will contain nothing more than hype-building concepts, but will wait at least till release, then devs will have to make 10.0 good in order to earn players' money. Overall whole problem is about "We already have your money, so everything suits you - why should be change anything?".

But this didn't happen despite of all warnings from us in previous xpacks. Why do you think, that players will change their minds this time?

[Zantera]

That is the story of my life in wow at least since WoD.
At the same time I think it is that sense of responsibility that keeps many of us hooked in place. I stopped playing start of 9.1 because I had pc issues, life obligations, boredom, summer time etc I still held the sub because I have a guild that is being ram by the officers etc but the guild must stay and people are like omg leader gone world is ending.

There is immense peer pressure in wow and that alone holds many people tucked in. Ofc those who don’t feel it drop out with no warning and that causes the problems we all know.

I feel ya. In some ways as a raider I feel like you're on a moving train and the patches are the stations you stop at along the way. There's still people who jump guilds or vanish during a tier which can be very frustrating as replacing people mid-tier is the hardest, but I have don't really feel as strong about people who see out the tier but they tell you in advance "next patch I'm getting off because I can't/won't devote the next 6-8 months to go again".

But I think also a lot of frustrations people might have is the fact once you dedicate yourself to the team, you're also at the mercy of the team. You might find yourself not enjoying your class or spec a few weeks in, you ask if there's a chance to reroll which there might not be. I think that's a big issue people have. If you are happy with the class you play and you are happy with your guild, for the most part there's very little drama there. Just in my own guild I'd say there's a core of at least 15 people who have stayed the same since I came in at start of Uldir and it's a nice feeling because there's not someone new leaving every week that needs replaced.

[Luck4]

Well there was a time when the start of an expansion was appealing. Now the start of an expansion is a shit tone of bad ideas that will be fixed two patchs laters. So the best part is mixed with the worst. No desire to come at start, and no desire to come when it's "fixed" because it's to late.
Fixes that were actually planned all along as a release content.
That's how they release content because it brings back subs. It probably worked with legion because it was the first very obvious one. So they kept doing it thinking that was the best idea ever while it just lose people on the long run and destroy their image even more.

This is a good point, I still remember in WoD when flying was announced to come in a later patch, and my first thought being "I'm going to skip all this stuff until flying is available", and I did the same thing in Legion, but in BFA I started losing interest, and skipped many things for good, now in Shadowlands, I left before even completing the Loremaster side quests, all I did was the mandatory stuff, which is a lot, to get my Sire CE and KSM, once Sire Denathrius fell I left for good.

[Bodakane]

So what you're saying is people are not allowed to share the same opinions of other people because they are streamers?

Lol, no nor did I imply it. Try again.

[RoKPaNda]

They'll be back for every major patch, don't kid yourself.

That's FFXIV expansion time soooo HIGHLY unlikely

I mean 90% of FFXIV's stream viewership is Asmongold's stream. Plus right now they're catching up on years worth of XIV. When a new expansion comes out they'll be done with it relatively quickly, make a video about everything wrong with it, and then do the same for the WoW content. It's the formula that these people follow. Hype a game, absolutely cannibalize that game, move on to the next game, go back to other games for updates and be extremely critical of them for clicks.

[Cosmic Janitor]

There is immense peer pressure in wow and that alone holds many people tucked in. Ofc those who don’t feel it drop out with no warning and that causes the problems we all know.

True that. Many people will also think twice about quitting if they have clawed out something for them that actually works, like a stable raid/pvp/m+ group. I know for a fact everyone in my group is currently thinking about quitting, but all of us don't really want to let it break apart (and we can't agree on an alternative game) because we aren't sure we'd have something if we come back later. So we just do our bare minimum runs each week and hang out, but that is not due to Blizzard's credit, it's purely the social component.

[Luck4]

They'll be back for every major patch, don't kid yourself.

If people had come back for 9.1, then most things coming in 9.1.5, wouldn't have been needed.

A new expansion is a completely different story though. People always try new expansions.

[Gaidax]

I mean 90% of FFXIV's stream viewership is Asmongold's stream. Plus right now they're catching up on years worth of XIV. When a new expansion comes out they'll be done with it relatively quickly, make a video about everything wrong with it, and then do the same for the WoW content. It's the formula that these people follow. Hype a game, absolutely cannibalize that game, move on to the next game, go back to other games for updates and be extremely critical of them for clicks.

I think you're a tad delusional there, matey.

Many more streamers switched to FF14, as a matter of fact nearly all high profile WoW streamers went there in different capacities. This is a big shift from past years where streamers would stick with WoW through thick and thin. The floodgates have opened and the weird weeb alternative has moved to mainstream.

Streamers will return to check out new WoW patches, but it will no longer be this "blind adherence to the path" from now on, because just as you say people will return for patches/expansions, but they will also fuck off the moment Blizzard BS spins out of control again -OR- simply when FF14 will have its own patch/expansion.

Ultimately, it's not great news for WoW, that enjoyed exclusivity from prominent streamers and players. Yes, Limit and such guys going FF14 is not doing it any favors either.

Ultimately I see this as culmination of Blizzard arrogance and incompetence. Is this the omg end of WoW like some claim, lol no, but it's not going to get a blank check from the community going forward either - just the right instrument of pressure been found and it works.

[Geckoo]

I don't know if i will be coming back for the next expansion, but i know that the way i see this game and this company has changed a lot and is not something that happened in just one day. I obviously still pay attention to what's going on (hence why i still visit MMO-C), but i don't care enough to be bothered by a new patch. It's more like watching as an spectator that has no real interest in being part of the action.

An expansion will highly depend on how radical the changes are and how they treat obvious feedback during alpha/beta. But honestly... the most they can get from me is trying out the expansion but never commiting to it, i'm done with WoW as a service. The issues i believe the game has are more related with how old the game is than with any bad expansion feature.

[Mhyroth]

It's not only that. It's their whole design philosophy

You not only have to grind rep, you also have to grind resources on resources on resources, some of which you can even lose in two of the most hostile environments of all of WoW.
You also have to grind renown and anima power.

Then you have to gamble to get the right slotted gear and the right shards to put into them.
Then you have to gamble to get the right conduits (even though they improved it a bit)

All this on top of a completely bloated system that's filled with endless combinations of different ways to put together your character, so you have to visit some third party website to find out things the game doesn't tell you, to play your character in a way you might not like, because mathematically, it's the best way to design your character, rendering 90% of the bloat meaningless.

Why even have so much bloat? Exactely, to make it so that RNG keeps having you waste time, gambling again for the next time to find the right item to keep you hooked and paying, while the game becomes ever more emptier.

I remember Blizzard removed Hit Rating, Armor Pen and all those other stats (titanforging, warforging...) because they didn't want people to use an external Addon or Website to see which Gear was an upgrade or not. They wanted you to see "higher iLvl = upgrade". Seems now more than ever before it's the complete opposite and they created a bloated mess.
For once I'm glad people are starting to see what a mess WoW has become and don't fall for their cheap tricks to get them back. Actions speak louder than words do and not giving them a single penny might actually work in the long term.

[RoKPaNda]

I think you're a tad delusional there, matey.

Many more streamers switched to FF14, as a matter of fact nearly all high profile WoW streamers went there in different capacities. This is a big shift from past years where streamers would stick with WoW through thick and thin. The floodgates have opened and the weird weeb alternative has moved to mainstream.

I'm pretty much 100% certain that you misread what you replied to there. Lets try it again. 90% of FFXIV's stream viewership is Asmongold's stream. When he's streaming FFXIV is popular. When he isn't streaming FFXIV is pretty much always behind WoW by tens of thousands of viewers. That's just facts. I think you got emotional because you thought I was saying that people aren't streaming FFXIV, but I was just pointing out that Asmongold alone is pretty much propping up FFXIV's viewer numbers right now. There are a lot of FFXIV streamers, and there are a lot of WoW streamers that also stream FFXIV, but the viewership for FFXIV overwhelmingly comes from that one streamer. (As I'm writing this WoW has 23k viewers, FFXIV has 7k viewers, and Hearthstone the most boring game in the universe the watch has 60k. Overwatch has 10k lol)

Look at Towelliee, he's been playing WoW for years and he's been playing FFXIV for years as well. He does well in WoW, he's completely irrelevant when he's playing FFXIV. His FFXIV tweets are his least interacted with tweets by far. He tweeted a picture of some food from a casino over the weekend and that got more interaction than his FFXIV tweets do.

FFXIV is a very well made game, don't get me wrong. The devs over there put a lot of effort into it. But content creators are 100% only this to make money. Outrage sells. If you think they're not going to apply their standard business model to FFXIV and criticize the everloving fuck out of it the second that new content is released you're only kidding yourself. Consume WoW content, criticize it for clicks, move on to something else (FFXIV in this case) for clicks, criticize it, consume more WoW content and criticize it, hype up some upcoming MMO that's going to be dead on arrival, back to WoW for free negativity clicks. Your favorite youtuber or streamer doesn't love you, they just want your money. This is their job.

WoW hasn't gotten a blank check from the community since at least Burning Crusade. Asmongold and Preach have made entire careers out of shitting on literally every single thing that Blizzard has done since they've started their channels. The community has been posting on forums about how shit WoW is since WoW had forums. Back in actual Vanilla in '04 people were calling Blizzard an incompetent shit company because of itemization, drop rates, bugs, etc. You know how the two certainties of life are death and taxes? The two certainties of Blizzard games are that the community will claim to hate it while buying the everloving shit out of it.

Shadowlands is ass. Shadowlands is one of the least pleasant WoW experiences I've ever had, and not actually because of anything that content creators are whining about, but lets not pretend that FFXIV is the second coming of the MMO messiah. It's just the game that current outrage streamers are using to get back at Blizzard.

[Xalvia]

The question is not if they will come back for the next exapc, but how long they will stay