Originally Posted by
sam86
1- again no, wc2 alliance is continued in wow, as officially stated by blizzard, yes most of its nations is destroyed (stormgarde, alterac, gilneas), but wow alliance is continue of wc2 alliance, wow horde on other hand is opposing demon-controlled wc2 horde, wow horde is continue of wc3, which in case u missed is also enemy of wc2 horde (also they never went to direct conflict, but u had missions against wc2 horde in wc3)
2- u can find it in entire raid called SoO, where 'horde biased' blizz turned our capital to be defiled weekly and our warchief to loot piniata, they didn't rebel at exact moment but they still rebelled -.-
3- easy: a- draenei extremination is ironically their own fault, imagine if they told orcs from day 1 they are running from BL that destroyed every single planet they settle in, because they refuse to fight them like their far minor sub-faction of lightforge draenei (who literally proved u can fight and survive for 25k years, making BL a joke of threat), what would orcs do? at best draenei ripped what they saw
b- troll empire doesn't exist anymore, and clarification of this info is at least wc3 old days and as far i know never retconned
4- ok so Kul'tirans are bad, still doesn't make horde founding evil, because both quil'boars and centaurs didn't have a civilization to get wiped to begin with, unlike Troll empire that ruled entire azeroth for who knows how long
5- this statement is completely wrong, gameplay isn't lore
again to be clear: Defias are enemy of alliance in both lore and gameplay, old horde are enemy of horde both lore and gameplay, Scarlet are enemy of alliance only in game (true at least classic wow era), lorewise while not friendly Scarlet would never attack alliance races, at least openly, same for Grimtotem (again true during classic era), while hostile in-game against horde, lorewise Grimtotem won't attack non-tauren horde races
Is that clear?
So Old Horde and Defias are enemies in both gameplay and lore, Scarlet Crusade and Grimtotem are enemies only gameplay
Old Horde and Defias never tried to be friendly with either alliance or horde lorewise, Scarlet Crusade never tried to be enemy of alliance (alliance stance on them on other hand isn't clear, and doesn't matter anymore anyway since Scarlet Crusade is over), Grimtotem were at first friendly, then in Cata became hostile to horde (and ironic, befriended alliance), then by Legion time they are back on friendly to horde