There are several aspects of this game for multiple skill levels of players. Most of what you said comes from self-pity in not being skilled enough to do what hundred of raid guilds do with ease. I say improve your skillset and be rewarded like the other. SIDE NOTE: I am an RPer and am just fine with the mid-level skills I possess when it comes time to raid. I have no interest in mythics, so this is not coming from a 1 percenter.
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"stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
-ynnady
Or, when people realized that the only thing that really mattered in LFR was not being hit by the beam. The maze was just something to ignore, the ground caused minimal damage you could heal through or shield, and you should just run around to where the beam started so it wouldn't hit you.
"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
"Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"
Sometimes luck can be a factor. I know raiders who have a whoopsie in their rotation, and it takes them several more moves to recover. Sure, it could be skill, but luck does exist. My hat still goes off to the more skilled players. They tend to get lucky less frequently because of their skill level, but they are not without luck.
“Be the change you want to see in the world.” ~ Mahatma Gandhi
I don't understand your point, you do know that every patch in wow bears something similar to this? oO' have you not played BfA and Shadowlands?
Now if you enjoy making ads for FF14 go play it, but don't derail the topic to a vs conversation, it too seldom brings any interesting conversations
Then you are talking about something entirely unrelated to the discussion you interjected into - that was a discussion where someone claimed farming mounts with low drop rates can be MORE DIFFICULT than mythic raiding, because of the luck factor. I am pointing out that luck and difficulty are not the same thing.
Also doesnt change the fact that pushing the wrong buttons isnt luck, its skill.
The only situation when an argument could be made that luck can impact difficulty is RNG of boss abilities, where some bosses allow for nasty overlaps of abilities - but those have ALMOST been eliminated from the game for exactly that reason. But where it remains, its still not really LUCK, its just a feature of the fight. The reason its been all but eliminated is because of how tight the tuning is now - if they tune the fight around the nasty combo occurring, then it becomes "too easy" when it doesnt occur. So they tune it around it not occurring, so when it does happen its all but impossible to overcome, so groups simply wipe the attempt and start again.
Hey hey hey now, juggling is fuckin hard man.
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Bolded bit. To be fair, I would argue that someone who just occasionally (to be generous) or rarely fucks up could be chalked up to bad luck a la "The cat jumped on my keyboard". If they repeatedly fuck up their rotation, then I'd say its skill (or lack thereof). Though I'm really just trying to kill the last 5 minutes of my shift here and know you probably aren't referring to those kinds of moments.
Here's the thing, I've played wow on and off since BC. I want to play Wow as an mmo, and I can't even bring myself to download FF14, because it's just too much of a commitment at my age, and I like wow's combat, system, world, characters. I have too much invested in the game just to drop it, and switch. They just need to get the other stuff together again. So even though FF14 may have more content coming through. It hasn't done anything to sway me. To me Wow is synonymous with MMO, and it'll probably always be like that for me. This isn't to say FF14 is the better option right now, but It just never appealed to me.
You are correct.luck and difficulty are not the same thing. However, I will reference your quote here to make sure I am not misunderstood as it pertains to your comment. Farming a rare mount with an extremely low percentage drop rate is more difficult than mythic raiding. Not only does it require luck, but shares traiting with raiding such as patience, persistence, and timing. If I were to offer an example, I have completed most of the raids in the game, and even a handful of those in Mythic. However, in 16 years of playing WoW, I have defeated all of these raids multiple times, yet after 2,316 confirmed kills on the Lich King, I still do not possess Invincible. If ANY raid too 2,316 tries to defeat it, people would be frustrated and pissed. So yes, I agree that farming rare mounts is far more difficult than raiding where all you have to do is learn mechanics, instead of... get lucky with RNG.
“Be the change you want to see in the world.” ~ Mahatma Gandhi
But it didnt take you 2,316 attempts to DEFEAT it, on the contrary, it is SO EASY you have defeated it 2,316 times. I also LOVE your comment that all you have to do to raid is "learn mechanics" - what a silly argument. Learning the mechanics, which is something that can be done before the content even goes live, is only a SMALL PART of raiding, and a small part of the difficulty - execution is where the skill and difficulty come in, along with gearing, preparing, coordination and cooperation, communication, etc etc.
Let me put it this way - the average person would walk a distance equal to roughly 40 marathons per YEAR. That does not mean it can be related in ANY WAY to actually running 1 marathon, let alone 40 of them.
The patch cadence for BFA was 5 months, 6, months, 7 months. And then it took 10 months for Shadowlands to come out. 9.1 took 7 months. 9.2 took 8 months.
FF14 gets a minimum of 5 content patches per expansion. Blizzard struggled to produce TWO of them for Shadowlands. We are coming up on the second patch for Endwalker and Endwalker came out IN DECEMBER. Shadowlands is on its second patch and it came out over a year earlier.
You are correct a conversation based on your pure, blissful, condescending ignorance will go nowhere.
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"stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
-ynnady
Let's drop the game vs. game derailment (WoW vs. FF14) and return to the actual topic at hand.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Tell that to anyone who actually raids mythic. I know that to run a marathon, all I need to do is know the route, and put one foot Infront of the other. Doesn't mean it's easy.
I can know the ingredients to a cake, doesn't mean I can bake an award winning cake.
Now if you are talking normal, that's a little different, but it's still not as you say, otherwise a bunch of randoms with minimum entry level gear could watch a YouTube video, then 1 shot every boss with no experience or coms.
I know that to paint a picture, I just put paint on a brush and slap it on canvas, doesn't mean I can paint a masterpiece.
What I'm getting at, is that knowledge is a factor, absolutely, but execution is a huge factor, and anyone who performs any activity at the highest level will say the same.