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Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/
Guess we soon see if these wedding things pay off.
The result of Thralls wedding should enter the storyline soon since his son is now close to Orcish adulthood.
Lets see of blizzard is also actually following up afterward and not just create events for the twitter crowd.
The line surprised me. If I'm not mistaken, there was a quest in Legion where Anduin dressed like a commoner to learn what the masses think of him, and in general the people missed Varian dearly and were uncertain of Anduin. Legion gave us a clear picture: Anduin has yet to earn the trust of his people, who grieve, mourn, and miss Varian.
What has Anduin done since Legion to prove himself a worthy leader? He played no part in the war against the Legion, which was won by heroes such as Alleria, Turalyon, Velen, and Illidan. His attack on Lordaeron would have ended in crushing defeat had Jaina not appeared with the flying ship nuke. He freed Saurfang, one of the main culprits for the War of Thorns.
I genuinely don't understand how the people of Stormwind can miss Anduin, he was a weakling. Turalyon is a much better fit for the throne of Stormwind and, indeed, the nobles and army support him.
In the end, a monarch needs the nobles and armies much more than the rabble. Wars are won by armies, not by peasants. And the King of Stormwind always needed the support of the House of Nobles, which is why Onyxia moved quickly to manipulate the House of Nobles and turn them against Varian.
So I'm sure Turalyon will do just fine as the de-facto King of Stormwind, I'm just surprised that the people apparently miss Anduin...
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Indeed. Saurfang was one of the main culprits who orchestrated the War of Thorns, and he was the commander in charge of the troops at Ashenvale. If Tyrande discovered that Anduin set him free, the Night elves might just straight up leave the Alliance. It's one thing that Anduin denied them help when they wanted to reclaim Darkshore, but freeing Saurfang would technically count as treason.
Obviously nothing of the sort will happen, since Golden loves and protects Anduin from anything bad, but it's still something to think about. It's not public knowledge that Anduin freed Saurfang, but if the public discovered this, the people would turn against Anduin immediately.
Saurfang was also responsible for butchering human civilians like "pigs" during the First War, so the people of Stormwind would hate Anduin if they learned that he let Saurfang escape.
Remember that according to "Exploring Kalimndor" the Orcs are cutting down the Kaldorei forests and the Alliance is okay with it.
So Anduin basically signed some kind of treaty that the Horde is allowed to continue attacking the Kaldorei and the Alliance is not going to help them.
If this were Logical the Kaldorei should no longer be part of the Alliance. It would be great if this expansion shows us that the Kaldorei and the Alliance don't cooperate.
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They specified that time behaves very differently in Shadowlands
"No ruler can rule if the people are against him"
This is wrong on so many levels and there are many examples that disprove it.
Tywin and Cersei Lannister had no problem ruling the kingdoms and slaughtering their enemies, despite the fact that millions of commoners and peasants wanted them dead. They never lost their positions of power because the people dethroned them, but because of single individuals (Tyrion and Daenerys). Just to cite one of the most popular examples from fiction.
Turalyon absolutely does not need the support of the people to keep his throne. He only needs the support of the House of Nobles and the armies, which he has.
If the random average joe peasant or commoner has a problem with Turalyon, he or she can rise up in rebellion and get slaughtered by the trained and professional soldiers of Stormwind. Besides, the average citizen of Stormwind should love Turalyon. He has already proven himself a capable general and politician, as he led the Alliance to victory in the Second War and oversaw the reconstruction of Stormwind as Regent. Turalyon even points out that he was Regent for a young Varian Wrynn, you know, the late king that Stormwind loved so much.
Last edited by Varodoc; 2022-07-31 at 10:10 AM.
The people probably miss Anduin because the one thing he was good at was being a source of pride for their kingdom(like a cute mascot) and tending to their emotional needs.
And Turalyon is not of their royal lineage. Anduin is the last of the ravaged royal line. Of course they want their royal mascot back. Anduin was always generally liked by the people in lore. It was Varian who had issues of being liked versus just respected.
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If it were true, they wouldn't have had the entire issue with the Defias twice. Or strained relations with the Scarlet.
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Aside from the fact that plenty of people live in monarchies, even after the French Revolution we had the establishment of an empire ruled by an absolute monarch.
All those people wouldn't even be alive or back in their homes if Turalyon didn't win the Second War for the Alliance after Lothar died, they owe him everything, and they know it. That's why the House of Nobles and the Army fully support Turalyon.
They had the "issue with the Defias" because a black dragon was sabotaging the kingdom from within, the army was spread thin fighting the Horde on distant battlefields, and the war against the Lich King was very costly and ruined the economy. And even then, the Defias still couldn't defeat one militia group. All the Defias accomplished was killing Varian's wife, after that they were constantly defeated.If it were true, they wouldn't have had the entire issue with the Defias twice. Or strained relations with the Scarlet.
As for the Scarlets, I don't know what they have to do with this discussion.
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