No more nerfs please

[CrusaDora25]

I honestly don't think ret pally need more nerfs. We went form judgments nerfs, to exorcism nerfs, and then now to eye for an eye nerfs and hand of freedom nerfs.

Frankly speaking, eye for an eye wasn't even that good when it used to deal 20% damage. If someone crits me for 5k, then they only take maybe 1.2 k of damage. And as someone has mentioned on the other thread, its the only thing to prevent us from being stunlocked and killed by a rogue.

And as for hand of freedom. I mean, 10 sec of movement impairing effect immunity really isn't a big deal. It doesn't make us op. Besides, it doesn't work on some 'movement impairing effects' anyways. It can be dispelled and etc, and most importantly, sometimes you can;t even catch up to your target within the old 10 sec period ( i think someone has also mentioned this already on another thread)

I dunno, this is just my opinion. I really dont know why blizz is doing this. Thats all

[Tigercat]

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=20175

If you think 14 seconds of snare immunity is/was no big deal, I guess ret is the only melee spec you've ever pvp'd with, because believe me it is a big deal.

I'd like to know what effects you're saying freedom doesn't work on, as well.

[RogueScythe]

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=20175

If you think 14 seconds of snare immunity is/was no big deal, I guess ret is the only melee spec you've ever pvp'd with, because believe me it is a big deal.

I'd like to know what effects you're saying freedom doesn't work on, as well.

To be fair... it isn't. What does a Pally lack that most other classes have? A slow. Pallys have a stun every 30 seconds or so but that's about it (It can be dispelled too iirc) so what's wrong with letting them have some anti kite techniques? I mean really, they don't have much else to close the gap and already I've murdered millions on my hunter, seen them get wrecked by frost mages, they still can be out played by a warlock, a druid can also do the job. what do all these classes have in common? Snares and slows and fears... maybe even a seduce or two in there. The point is they have something to stop the pally in their tracks, so what's the big deal?

[Antiqueth]

To be fair... it isn't. What does a Pally lack that most other classes have? A slow. Pallys have a stun every 30 seconds or so but that's about it (It can be dispelled too iirc) so what's wrong with letting them have some anti kite techniques? I mean really, they don't have much else to close the gap and already I've murdered millions on my hunter, seen them get wrecked by frost mages, they still can be out played by a warlock, a druid can also do the job. what do all these classes have in common? Snares and slows and fears... maybe even a seduce or two in there. The point is they have something to stop the pally in their tracks, so what's the big deal?

Good day sir. I believe you totally forget that you also have a built in speed increase.

[Dareos]

"Don't nerf me, bro" ;D

[distantarray]

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=20175

If you think 14 seconds of snare immunity is/was no big deal, I guess ret is the only melee spec you've ever pvp'd with, because believe me it is a big deal.

I'd like to know what effects you're saying freedom doesn't work on, as well.

I'd gladly swap a freedom for a distance closer imo. Ret is the ONLY melee class without a distance closer. warriors got intercept, shammies have earthshock, deathknight's have deathgrip, feral has charge, rogues have shadowstep and stealth as a way to close distance. Yes repentance can work but it's on a long 1 minute cd.

Ret is the most kiteable class in the game, if we get to a mage they blink, if we get to the warlock they jump back, if we get to a hunter. in duels ret almost has no chance to win if the ranged player is good and the duel starts with a little distance.

Freedom was ok for that reason, but too many people still qq'd cause they've never played a class themselves. I've played priest mage druid as well and did just fine, most the people who tend to qq are people who seem to complain are people who get on for 10 games a week for points and get rofl stomped by teams and classes they have no idea how to play against.

[Indris]

Good day sir. I believe you totally forget that you also have a built in speed increase.

I think it's funny that of all the classes, a Rogue mentions the Ret Paladin's 'speed increase' as a 'gap closer' of sorts.

[iktankniet]

Good day sir. I believe you totally forget that you also have a built in speed increase.

/trade: WTB tuskars vitality. got mats!*enchant boots*

omg! now you got the same speed!

[distantarray]

Good day sir. I believe you totally forget that you also have a built in speed increase.

Good day sir. Try playing ret and you'll see that it's shit. DK's also have run speed buff, feral druids and rogues have sprint to close the distance or to run away, warriors can charge and intervene out of danger as well, again if your having problem with kiting a ret pally your having a bad day, or just bad yourself.

oh yea and every 30 second stun doesn't apply. 1minute cd repentance, and 40 second judgement cds.

[Volly]

TBH HOF is/will always be a important part of ret usage both in pvp and pve(certain boses). so this nerf does hurt pvp ret but pve i dont think it much of a problem.

to me im quite furious about it..cause it the only thing i been using it to get myself off snares and save for 14sec..now that its 10sec/w talents boost that 4sec sure save life and my 4sec from killing my prey. So im not happy about it that much so if blizz nerf this..then nerf the shit out of chain of ice/fear/sheep/freeze/rogue stuns/hunters snares effects and more to be list..causewith out the 4sec extra buff we aint goin near a bit fuck to them.. How this for Balancing the PvP world

[RogueScythe]

Good day sir. I believe you totally forget that you also have a built in speed increase.

I agree, I has sprint! Another thing that helps me catch up to my enemies or run from said ret pally. But I thought we were talking about ret pallys closing gaps when they're snared and stuff. Their increased run still puts them slower then the auto run, so you're point is still invalid.

[DaGhostDS]

rogues have sprint to close the distance or to run away

and http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=31209 lol

[distantarray]

i also love how people forget that we gotta put talent points INTO the run speed, and people who think of repentance and hammer of justice as a valid distance closer, since we waste 1 minute and 40 second cooldowns to get to the target, and anything from 2-6 seconds of the entire duration can be wasted just to get on the target in the first place just to have them blink, disengage, etc.

[RogueScythe]

and http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=31209 lol

God I can't believe I forgot about that >.> I think I want to go back to mut now.

[Terrab]

I'd gladly swap a freedom for a distance closer imo. Ret is the ONLY melee class without a distance closer. warriors got intercept, shammies have earthshock, deathknight's have deathgrip, feral has charge, rogues have shadowstep and stealth as a way to close distance. Yes repentance can work but it's on a long 1 minute cd.

Ret is the most kiteable class in the game, if we get to a mage they blink, if we get to the warlock they jump back, if we get to a hunter. in duels ret almost has no chance to win if the ranged player is good and the duel starts with a little distance.

Freedom was ok for that reason, but too many people still qq'd cause they've never played a class themselves. I've played priest mage druid as well and did just fine, most the people who tend to qq are people who seem to complain are people who get on for 10 games a week for points and get rofl stomped by teams and classes they have no idea how to play against.

You should learn some about other classes yourself. Still trying to figure out how earthshock is a closer.

[DaGhostDS]

i cant believe rogue dont know their own class..

back to topic
Q_Q because X class got X and i cant have it so nerf X!



p.s

shammies have earthshock

frostshock..

[Jaska]

The grass is always greener. HoF is strong.

I think Ret is about where it should be right now.

[RogueScythe]

i cant believe rogue dont know their own class..

back to topic
Q_Q because X class got X and i cant have it so nerf X!



p.sfrostshock..

I never said I was a good rogue.

[Terrab]

/trade: WTB tuskars vitality. got mats!*enchant boots*

omg! now you got the same speed!

Pursuit of Justice = 15% faster
Tuskars vitality = 8% faster

15% =/= 8% especially when you take Judgment of Justice into account.

Edit: Added the part about Judgment of Justice

[RogueScythe]

Pursuit of Justice = 15% faster
Tuskars vitality = 8% faster

15% =/= 8% especially when you take Judgment of Justice into account.

Edit: Added the part about Judgment of Justice

Yet any snare, poison, slow, etc renders that useless!