Leap of Faith

[Wysmark]

As we get closer to Cataclysm i find myself wondering about this ability? Is it still in, and does it still work like a death grip on players?

Im probably not the first to wonder at the retardness of this spell, we've all tried the hunter who misdirected to the healer to wipe groups or perhaps a paladin using Hand of Protection at a...inopportune moment.

In other words..anything that gives other players control over your character (outside pvp) isnt good.. So my question must be to betaplayers:

How many times have you been pulled over some edge, into a fire or otherwise out of position with this spell? How much should i fear it in the hands of scrubs?

[Togi]

propably you will die if someone wants you to :/

[phoenixia]

Just like the Deathgrip, you can't pull people when YOU are falling. It won't work. Same with "movable" object, like ship, it'll say "immune".

[deef]

Only works on players in your group/raid.

It will bring you out of shadowform.

I've pull my mate the warrior tank around for the lols, pulling people afk to a new location is fun too.

[Deleted]

leap of...fail

[Deleted]

And you can't see the advantage of this spell? If someone isn't fast enough running at phase transition on LK, the priest could simply pull him in? I think it has enormous potential, to grant the really good priests, who actually watch what's going on, a chance to help out the raid more.

I salute it!

[Deleted]

And you can't see the advantage of this spell? If someone isn't fast enough running at phase transition on LK, the priest could simply pull him in? I think it has enormous potential, to grant the really good priests, who actually watch what's going on, a chance to help out the raid more.

I salute it!

hes seeing the potential abuse of it... like misdirect on somebody to start an encounter or just wipe that person.
you can stand on a very thin edge (i know a lot of places you could kill somebody abusing how it works) and pull the person to you. as they will most certainly move at that exact time they will fall to death. you can pull people into voidzones if you want them to pay the repair bill.. I know I will do this alot since my friends are in my dept several thousand gold so they wont mind much but if anybody starts screwing my pugs or whatever they will get kicked and banned from any activities with me permanently

[messi4h]

You can even mc and use leap afterwards, sounds like fun

[Agape]

You can even mc and use leap afterwards, sounds like fun

Haha, hadn't thought of that!

*logs on beta*

[Deleted]

yeah, as if I dont have enough to keep track of watching all those little health bars which is all my fellow raiders are to me anyway, watchign boss mechanics, timing CD's, moving from fire, now I also have to save the retarded fuck up of a dps who cant move out of the aoe and will QQ about not beign saved if he dies.
Brilliant.

On the other hand, massive amusement value in 5mans. so I like it.

You sure don't have to and if the dps complains, than just tell him it was on gcd or something. And dps not using their brain is old news anyway, so why bother?
On the other hand, it's a strongly flexible tool to use on numerous occasions. Potential for abuse? Definitely. Likelihood? Not so sure, especially since you cannot use it on randoms.
Other than that? Use it and have fun! Especially in BG's or with guildies/friends.

[Copasetik318]

And you can't see the advantage of this spell? If someone isn't fast enough running at phase transition on LK, the priest could simply pull him in? I think it has enormous potential, to grant the really good priests, who actually watch what's going on, a chance to help out the raid more.

I salute it!

This can go the other way to. Say the priest isnt paying attention and the other guy is. You pull him, you both get killed.. wiped.

Just saying..

[Deleted]

What if a DK death grips you when you Leap of faith someone? Hmm..

[Copasetik318]

What if a DK death grips you when you Leap of faith someone? Hmm..

im not a scientist but, honestly to tell you the truth to be honest with you, it would probably look like a DK DGing someone while someone uses LoF to someone else.. imo

[Deleted]

Just like the Deathgrip, you can't pull people when YOU are falling. It won't work. Same with "movable" object, like ship, it'll say "immune".

thats my idea thwarted told our MT i was gonna do it once for a laugh but you just ruined it!

[Boomkindance]

Or if 4 priests are in a square 40 yards apart, and use Leap of Faith at the same time.. I wonder what would happen? Is the pathing to the priests previous location, or will all of you fly in a square indefinitely? or will you all move closer to each other gradually in a cyclone style, meeting in the middle location of the square? hmmmmm

Also, people saying that bad people could take advantage of this.... that has always been in WoW. If you have a terrible tank, the encounter may be difficult/impossible (moving around a dragon for instance). If you have a terrible healer... the encounter may be difficult or impossible (Valithria Dreamwalker comes to mind), If you have a terrible dps...enrage timers could become an issue.

It takes everyone working together to make the raid/group effective. So yes, some random person can ruin the group, but if the person is that bad just replace them, just like we always do with people doing something terribly wrong or spiteful or childish.

In decent guilds this will be a great mechanic for priests, as I find most priests that have been healing for a while have pretty good awareness in a raid, and being able to foresee a mess up (lets face it, it happens) they can pre-emptively save someone from that. Also, if there is a raid mechanic where a mob targets someone while simultaneously slowing their movement (putricide or Anub arak) you can grip them farther away for a better kite.

Also, how many times in 10 man Festergut has there been 2 spores spawned in melee and communication fails and both spores seem to decide to stay in melee. Now you can make that decision for them! and just yank one out in the nick of time and quite possibly save the wipe.

I love this spell... Just saying.

[Mammoth]

Yes, you can abuse it, but its not a big deal. You can abuse portals, misdirects, feigns, not healing at all, running through welps, leaving your computer unguarded from little children, Hand of Protection. Theres all kinds of things that can be abused, but the abuse isn't a big deal, you kick people that are ruining it for everyone else.

Lifegrip sounds really useful. I've had raids where people disconnect and I would love to lifegrip them. This spell has so much scope for interesting uses, don't worry about a small percentage of people abusing it.

[Warrenar]

Also, how many times in 10 man Festergut has there been 2 spores spawned in melee and communication fails and both spores seem to decide to stay in melee.

How many times have you seen an idiot DPS get hit by Icehowl on ToGC? Theres actually a few heroic bosses in Cata where this spell comes in handy because they have similar mechanics. As someone who is constantly watching health bars and watching what goes on around me, I love this spell. I no longer have to watch people die (i.e. Just last night in Firefighter pug I watched a Holy Pally sit and eat Shockblast....I was looking for my Leap of Faith button).

Just a few uses of this spell in current content....

LDW: Pull someone who fails to see a ghost chasing them.
Saurfang: Pull someone who is about to get eaten by a Blood Beast.
Fester: Pull Spore to correct position.
Rotface: Pull the melee who sits with ooze in raid.
Prof Putricide: Pull the guy being chased by gas cloud.
Blood Princes: Pulling the guy being chased by Flame orb, or pull someone away from a Shock Vortex.
Lich: Pull the D\C out of Defile!

I don't think it will be abused all that much since it pulls you to the priest's position; which means the Priest needs to put himself in harms way before you.

[Syrrah]

DK/disc arenas will turn into people flying all over the place

and I don't think it will stop much abuse just because the priest has to be in the fire to pull you into the fire, they'll just shield themselves and/or GS, and then pull you to die. Can't wait hahaha, would have been great fun at 70 for Archimonde and Supremus

[Warrenar]

DK/disc arenas will turn into people flying all over the place

and I don't think it will stop much abuse just because the priest has to be in the fire to pull you into the fire, they'll just shield themselves and/or GS, and then pull you to die. Can't wait hahaha, would have been great fun at 70 for Archimonde and Supremus

Anything that wont one shot the priest isn't going to 1 shot you.

[Penumbra]

Can anyone confirm if this works on friendly targets that are cc'd? I'm curious to know if I can use it on a friend in a bg when he gets sapped or stunned for example (or any kind of cc really).....What kind of cc will this spell counter-act?
Either way it's going to be fun to see people who run up ahead of you getting lit up by a frost mage, and you simply just dispel-->LoF......OR possibly just LoF them out of the freeze? Any one on beta been using this on CC'd friendlys?