are we talking about WoW chaos, or real moral chaos
in WoW, good, evil,chaos,and law are the points on the "moral compass" you can be lawful evil by destroying things in a logical way, like a lawyer, or chaotic evil by burning things to the ground
this is a simple guide :P
I just love the sound of it. A lot!Havens fucking power
But really, all things boil down to that, you can't have a discussion without a deconstruction, and everything ends up with people simply being different and having different standarts in the fundamental matters of morality and one's perception of the world and human motivations. I like it; I like to make people think about what they are and what matters to them. My small attempt at being a Zen teacher.
Last edited by Haven; 2010-11-21 at 12:23 AM.
thats more blizzards fault or maybe there writers as far as wow is concerned.
when i looked up horde the first time, in no place did i feel that they were evil, or morally questionable (from a wow standpoint), if anything they were painted as the underdog.
my first character was also a tauren, while no race can claim absolute purity, tauren are in the top 3 of this games benevelent races.
now im supposed to swallow that im a bad guy?
I think thats peoples reactions who get upset over it.
oh, and trolls of course.
just please dont tell me to reroll alliance, i cannot stand alliance lore ingame, i hate its zones, and i hate humans/draenei with a white hot passion lol.
What doesn't make sense for Malkavian anyway?
Destruction by its nature is chaotic. It's in the physical meaning of the term. Even if it's an interim step, it is still intentional creation of chaos. Of course, life itself is a thing of order and a pretty complicated one, so if we're to benefit ourselves, end result of any sane rational action is aimed towars increasing order. We're not supposed to be talking about end results here, because no sane person aims towards chaos, everyone has a rational reason that benefits him in some way. It's not about the ends, it's about the means. And means can be both chaotic and ordered while serving appropriate cause.
The alliance is right in this war but so is the Horde both have their legitimate reason to beat the crap out of each other
Everything makes sense to them because they can see the fabric of the universe but the downside is you are utterly insane but damn are Malkavians awesome only second to the Tremere
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life is anything BUT ordered :P
we have SO many freely moving parts, our blood is liquid and therefore incredibly chaotic, and that's on a relatively large level, our existance changes so many things in such random ways.
life is quite possibly the most chaotic thing there is, except maybe the universe itself
again, order and chaos seem to be a grey thing, it depends on intent
to bring back my argument from before, if a paladin saves someone on orders from his king, is it chaos? you say no.
if the king wants the rescued person for the purpose of causing chaos, was the paladin causing chaos? even if he has no intent? in which case, is he an evil paladin?
it's another compex moral thing
Last edited by mmoc41ce4810a1; 2010-11-21 at 12:30 AM.
But not as a matter of state policy. Murder is, by and large, something most societies frown upon. The Forsaken see nothing wrong with taking a living, breathing human beign and seeing how much to his body they can cut up while he's still alive.
What we consider evil as a society is the norm for the Forsaken.
EJL
sylvanas is the most interesting horde character imo. thrall is overrated and fake, but sylvanas is unique because her true motives are unknown to the horde, except for some hints of distrust
the forsaken hates the living... that's never gonna change
You're talking to the man that played through VtMB four times (gangrel, malkavian, tremere, nosferatu) and spent hours on vampire wiki
I prefer to still call it chaos. I like to accentuate the balance of things. In a broader sense, it applies to violence, self-destruction, negativity, aggression and such; despite that we may not entirely like them, we need them and use them. Keeping track of balance helps preserve self-control and not get engulfed in self-righteousness. One of the principles of Zen Buddhism is that revulsion is a poison of mind; branding something as "evil" or "negative" leads to rigid thinking.
The Forsaken kill a human "ZOMG...they are murdererz!"
The Humans kill a Forsaken "it's cool Broseph... He had it coming"