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    BoE items beceme BoP when you press Need

    My original post can be found on the blizzard forum here: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1503482281#1

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    So, i was doing my daily heroic on my prot warrior, when a epic BoE caster neck drops. Me, my hunter friend and a DK ofc presses greed (well, the DK pressed DE for some reason), while our pala healer and warlock presses need. The pala wins, and leaves the dungeon right after. Oh, i bet he wont equip it! Like many other wow players wouldnt..

    So here is my suggestion (i could not find the suggestion forum!!):
    When a BoE drops, you get the standard 3 options: Need, Greed or Disenchant. When you press Need, it is because you actually need the item, and want to equip it. In that case, im sure you dont mind it being BoP, since youre gonna equip it anyways. If you press greed, you want to sell it, then BoE is just fine. Wont comment on DE...

    Thoughts, ideas, problems with this? Im sure others have been in the same situation as me...

    EDIT: Seems a lot of people dont know how it works... being a WARRIOR i cant need on an item with INT on it! So no, not every1 in the group can need!

    EDIT again: Still seems like people dont know that if the items doesnt have the right stats for you, you cant press need! Posting anything about this, is not relevant to the topic.


    EDIT: New option, suggested by replies (so i wont take credit for this, although i think its a really good idea). Instead of above mentioned solution, when a BoE item drops, there is only 2 options, and this is for everyone (granted you have an enchanter in the group): Greed and DE. Why? because there shouldnt be a difference in whos eligible to win an item, when a lot of players is anyways going to sell on the AH (this is based off own experience, so you may say what you want, but ive seen this happen a lot. Giving the item to an alt is just as bad, since he wasnt there, and just because you play a class that can use the same item as your alt, shouldnt give you priority over others. I bet almost everyone have an alt that can use any BoE item that can drop anywhere (BoE 85 epics at least).
    Last edited by Bairyhalls; 2011-01-13 at 07:45 PM.

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    PErsonally, I would equip it but leave anyway in case the old 'don't Need on BoE' drama finds it's way back from the grave.

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    Thing is, that people would still press N to either ninja it, or use it for off-spec or if they missclick...

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    sounds good to me. no other valid reason to roll need on boe. than equip.

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    Like the idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aíoh View Post
    First of all, you're blaming the Paladin for not equipping it, when you are a Warrior Yourself and your Hunter friend ain't gonna use it either. I do not care about your Alts. Also, I personally don't like your Idea. And if it was BoP when you needed on it, Would that have changed anything for you? Yes you would have gotten a BoP Epic that was Useless.
    youre missing the point. The paladin needed, but wanted to sell it (obviously). Why should he have priority on the money over us? Ofc me and the hunter wanted to sell, that doesnt make a difference!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aíoh View Post
    First of all, you're blaming the Paladin for not equipping it, when you are a Warrior Yourself and your Hunter friend ain't gonna use it either. I do not care about your Alts. Also, I personally don't like your Idea. And if it was BoP when you needed on it, Would that have changed anything for you? Yes you would have gotten a BoP Epic that was Useless.
    I don't think you read his post properly at all. The DK, his friend, and himself hit greed for selling purposes.

    Anyway, the entire idea makes sense and I'd support it being implemented. Although, sadly, I agree with Venziir that people would still press need just to be idiots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aíoh View Post
    First of all, you're blaming the Paladin for not equipping it, when you are a Warrior Yourself and your Hunter friend ain't gonna use it either. I do not care about your Alts. Also, I personally don't like your Idea. And if it was BoP when you needed on it, Would that have changed anything for you? Yes you would have gotten a BoP Epic that was Useless.
    I think that you may have mis-read the post, the warrior, hunter, and dk greeded on it while the pally and warlock needed. The OP is saying it's not fair that some classes can ninja BoE's because they are able to roll need while other classes are blocked from needing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aíoh View Post
    First of all, you're blaming the Paladin for not equipping it, when you are a Warrior Yourself and your Hunter friend ain't gonna use it either. I do not care about your Alts. Also, I personally don't like your Idea. And if it was BoP when you needed on it, Would that have changed anything for you? Yes you would have gotten a BoP Epic that was Useless.
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    i do like the idea.

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    You also had the choice to Need. There is also this great thing called party chat. Maybe use it to ask "Needing or greeding for sell?" OR if you are really worried about what the random is going to do just wait out the timer and continue to clear the instance. Maybe he needed it for an alt or an offspec.

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    That actually makes a lot of sense to me, I support it. Good luck getting it implemented, but I like the concept.
    cheers!

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    all i read was " (well, the DK pressed DE for some reason)" haha made my day

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    imo BoE items and mount drops are needed on to avoid anything like this. If someone legitimately needs you can just trade it to them.

    If the person takes the item and doesn't equip it then that sucks but in the end I wouldn't really get too mad about it. Gold never had is gold never lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carcus View Post
    You also had the choice to Need. There is also this great thing called party chat. Maybe use it to ask "Needing or greeding for sell?" OR if you are really worried about what the random is going to do just wait out the timer and continue to clear the instance. Maybe he needed it for an alt or an offspec.
    i dont know id i was clear enough... im a warrior... the item had int on it... need i say more?

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    Have the entire party roll need on it - problem solved.

    Not the paladin's fault if you're too dumb enough to realize that.

    ps: people would need anyways and just get someone to DE it.

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    It's a great idea and I don't know why either no one else ever thought of it, including Blizzard, or why its never been implemented. It would in a stroke eliminate 50% of the motivation of ninjas. The key remaining motivations apply to mats which is less easy to solve and mounts/novelty items which by convention is Need/Pass.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrant View Post
    Have the entire party roll need on it - problem solved.

    Not the paladin's fault if you're too dumb enough to realize that.

    ps: people would need anyways and just get someone to DE it.
    Your proposal doesn't solve anything since in theory that could be done already, if it were not for class armor restrictions ... Besides, the convention is not to roll Need on BoEs if you don't need it!

    With the OP's solution, at best a ninja would risk being kicked if he hasn't equipped it and not the end of the run or get vendor gold or mat gold, instead of AH BoE income which would likely be 10s if not 100-1000s times more than any mat gold.
    Last edited by mmoc83df313720; 2011-01-09 at 08:14 PM.

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    Good idea.. Think it should be implemented soon tbh

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    Can't fault the solution. It would be a positive addition to the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrant View Post
    Have the entire party roll need on it - problem solved.

    Not the paladin's fault if you're too dumb enough to realize that.

    ps: people would need anyways and just get someone to DE it.
    A) You can't roll need on something that Blizzard determines isn't for you class.

    B) You can't have someone DE an item for you if it is BOUND to you.

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