Palas Retribution are all in hibernation...

[Deleted]

Hi all,

Just to be said maybe one more time, I feel really bad being a Pala DPS, since cata is out I did not raid besides BH, even once in my guild they have just downed an End Boss, and me well nerfed to the bones, well I am hitting with my head all over Azeroth...why hum ask blizzard.

And just to be sure I looked at the raid that paragon used in the last world first Kill and oh what is this 4 Paladins hum.... lets see hum 3 Healears nice ..... oh here is a guy that is giving more damage then me ... oh nice he is a paladin ... crap is a Paladin Tank ...... a but .... nvm ... let me get a new wall and here comes my headheach again....

Ty all,

Cordovil
GrimBatol

[Kabbalah]

Ret is promising on PTR.

Have you noticed the complete lack of Shamans?

[warlocx]

Retri pala's are getting fixed in 4.0.6. I play pala myself and dropped retri for Holy atm becouse it plays better. Its fun to see the increase in hpals in BG's and PvP, they are sooo rediculusly hard to kill esspecialy in groups. Hope the next patch will bring some of the holy's back to Retri.

[Willelm]

1. Stop drinking and posting drunk (if English be not thy mother tongue then ignore this one, but still, don't post drunk).

2. Pay attention to Patch Notes, possibly play on PTR.

3. If you're looking for faceroll nowadays, roll a warrior or a warlock, or switch to Holy Pally because they are the bomb.

4. Go back to Paladin after 4.0.6!

[Stevoman]

Not really.

All the good Retadins are still playing the class they love, and are doing quite decently. The rest of them rerolled to Mages.

[Holofernes]

actually ret pallys who know what they are doing, do competetitve dps now. perhaps not first in meters. but in line with others with the same gear.
What i as tank notice, is that ret pallys tend to be the first to pull aggro at raidbosses
donnu what, but their burst is insane, especially if its a low hitting boss and vengeance aint high, i tend to ask him to use sacrifice quite often within the first 15-30 seconds of fight.

i assume our retpally will be THE Aggro whore as soon as the patch goes live.

[QQmoore]

Ret only suffers on fights that require melee to dance around alot and pull off a boss (as per mechanic). On fights where they can stay on a boss for a majority of the time they do fine, they'll be even better in the patch.

[BDF]

Ret pallies bring alot of versatility to small groups in that they bring alot of extra healing tools, but our mechanics keep us from doing any real aoe or performing well on target swap fights.

This is going to get even worse in 4.0.6 since our holy power generation is horridly erratic under the new system.

[Kheirn]

Retri paladin on world first heroic Cho'gall. Maybe Paragon simply don't have any good retri paladins. I'm doing perfectly fine.
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...stise/advanced <- Retri Pala from For the Horde

[OmegaV]

Ret dps is incredibly CD based.....On the start of Heroic Chimearon I start off at 21k-22k generally in the top5 and then by the end of the fight I'm fighting for the last spot on DPS.....which if it wasn't for the hit debuff would be roughly 16k......

Also the aggro thing? thats because ret (or pallies in general not sure) have a higher threat modifier....or from what I've read they do....wouldn't be surprised it was true

[Deleted]

I still play ret, I don't top meters like i used to but I'm always in the top 10. I'm very much looking forward to the mastery change, and AoE is a bit of a joke, but there's nothing wrong enough with the class to warrant a reroll/respec.

[Wonderboy]

I play in a 10-man hardcore raiding guild on my server. 6 Days a week at the moment clear 12 bosses a week, some on heroic. My main spec is Ret, I play it maybe 10 minutes a week because i'm more "useful" healing and having the druid dps.

[Asteh]

Ret is promising on PTR.

Have you noticed the complete lack of Shamans?

Huh? I haven't noticed this at all. Besides, why would there be a lack of shamans? They are fine, if you don't count elemental. Haven't seen many rets around though. (I play a shaman, had to change my elemental off spec to enhance though :P)

[Deleted]

actually ret pallys who know what they are doing, do competetitve dps now. perhaps not first in meters. but in line with others with the same gear.

Dunno, m8.

I have full 345 + a couple of epix on me (epic pvp weapon as well) and I can barely hit 10k dps cap on a boss dummy.

I might be doing something wrong, but as ret it's actually hard to do something wrong, as long is your inq uptime is near 100% and you do your dps chain as clcret suggests.

I strongly believe patch will change the situation to a bright side, but not yet, not yet.

[OmegaV]

Ret pallies bring alot of versatility to small groups in that they bring alot of extra healing tools, but our mechanics keep us from doing any real aoe or performing well on target swap fights.

This is going to get even worse in 4.0.6 since our holy power generation is horridly erratic under the new system.

The extra healing tools are why I'm brought to some fights....the fact that I can pop holy radiance every fued on chimeron plus I have a glyphed Divine Protection....and then LoH one of the tanks on one of the fueds....

Also I don't think erractic is the right word...Erractic would be our current HP gen....no I think its more so going to be lackluster...and haste is just going to jump out as the stat to have. followed by either crit or mastery

[warlocx]

Dunno, m8.

I have full 345 + a couple of epix on me (epic pvp weapon as well) and I can barely hit 10k dps cap on a boss dummy.

I might be doing something wrong, but as ret it's actually hard to do something wrong, as long is your inq uptime is near 100% and you do your dps chain as clcret suggests.

I strongly believe patch will change the situation to a bright side, but not yet, not yet.

I have the same problem as Ret. I have far better gear then my mage and rogue friend, but have to struggle to keep above them in dps, they are doing around 9~16k depending on wich fight while im stuck with 7~12k dps (no burst but overall).

[Deleted]

Ret pallies bring alot of versatility to small groups in that they bring alot of extra healing tools

Who needs this versatility in pve? There's no such thing as support class in wow - only tank, dd and heal. If you can fit in any one of those strictly - you're of no use to a good group, where everyone is doing what they must and they do it well.

Of course, if your healer is picking his nose with one hand and clicks heals with his toe - you might be helpful WoGing tank. But that's just it. In any good group in most situations ret is pretty useless, imho.

[Arganaut]

"and haste is just going to jump out as the stat to have. followed by either crit or mastery"

Explain? Because of the Mastery (more CS more Mastery procs)?

[OmegaV]

"and haste is just going to jump out as the stat to have. followed by either crit or mastery"

Explain? Because of the Mastery (more CS more Mastery procs)?

Explain which part? why Haste is going to jump out? increased HP generation along with extra damage from mastery since there will be more TV and CS....why crit and mastery are fighting for the position now? thats just my opinion, I may be totally wrong about that so....yeah

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Who needs this versatility in pve? There's no such thing as support class in wow - only tank, dd and heal. If you can fit in any one of those strictly - you're of no use to a good group, where everyone is doing what they must and they do it well.

Of course, if your healer is picking his nose with one hand and clicks heals with his toe - you might be helpful WoGing tank. But that's just it. In any good group in most situations ret is pretty useless, imho.

HA...HA...HA....

Heroic Halfus, Bubble and Sac on the tank during Shouts and LoH on the other tank
Chimeron Holy Radiance and LoH on the tank during Fueds
Neferian Holy Radiance After a...whatever the thing neferian does every 10%
Holy Radiance during Ultimates on Conclave would be nice too....so yeah thats called being a good player

[nyc81991]

I still play my paladin and I don't plan on stopping, I've been playing Ret since the start of Bc and if you think that we are bad now you really have no idea.

Blizz does know Ret needs buffs and if you look at the patch notes for 4.0.6 you can see that. But even if Ret isnt a top dps spec it can still do pretty well if the person playing it knows what they are doing and isnt just hitting buttons.