Do you play Disc/Holy dualspecc? How do you do it?

[TheTrueM4gg0t]

hey classmates :-)

Background information:
I play in a 10m only guild, and our setup varies quite often.
The other healers are ither: drood/shamy, pala/shamy(often!) or pala/drood(seldom), depends on who's there, and if our paly has to go and tank etc.

To be more flexible, I've got Disc/Holy dualspecc, and thats great, because depending on healersetup and encounter, its very profitable to be able to switch specc.
As Holy I'm always the main-raidhealer and support tanks in low AE dmg phases
Disc normally the other way round. Stay on tanks, and support with AE heal and save lives with bubbles :-)

The only problem with double healer specc, is the gearing.
As Holy I prefer a no crit, a bit of haste (get above the 12.5% haste threshold at least) and go for mastery.
As Disc, I like crit a lot, and also go for haste, but neglect mastery.

What would you do in this situation?
Gear for full haste as the "middle path"??
Specialise on Disc? (Disc is great for this raid content and is viable for every healing role)
Stay with Holy + mastery gear and only take Disc-specc when its absolutley necessairy?
(Holy is my favorite specc, CoH is just so great in 10m, and has the best synergy with pala/schamy healtrio I think)

greezs
maggot

[Taistee]

I don't consider myself a priest expert by any means, but crit should not be your most wanted stat as disc. Yes, it procs DA, but that's really an unreliable. IMO go for haste to 12.5 then go to mastery, as haste is arguably a better stat for discipline in 10 man over mastery. This would provide a decent stat balance, 12.5 for the renew threshold and mastery to a decent amount.

[Duntix]

I don't consider myself a priest expert by any means, but crit should not be your most wanted stat as disc. Yes, it procs DA, but that's really an unreliable. IMO go for haste to 12.5 then go to mastery, as haste is arguably a better stat for discipline in 10 man over mastery. This would provide a decent stat balance, 12.5 for the renew threshold and mastery to a decent amount.

WRONG do not go by the 12.5% nonsense at all. Haste this tier is almost always better than mastery. If you are going to stack haste keep stacking it until you feel you have enough not until an arbitrary number by EJ

[TheTrueM4gg0t]

Taistee, I only go for crit as Disc when I know i'll only be tankhealing.
as a tankhealer, crit is good, and i value it far over mastery (as tankhealer), on similar niveau as haste. but thats not the topic :-)

the 12.5% I see as my personal "minmum" treshhold. I do not support the "haste is super until 12.5 then useless" people or whatever they say. I just dont want to fall underneath that level if possible.

[ramennoodleking]

As a general rule of thumb, haste is king. Crit will work it's way into your gear on its own and isn't necessary to tank heal. Since you are going to be flexible, I'd suggest this stat weight: INT > spirit (to personal cap) > haste > mastery > crit

[Franklinn]

I play a relatively similar role in my 10m raids, generally spot-healing behind our shaman and paladin.
I prefer disc, but I make sure to keep a viable spec and set for holy.
My stat priority for disc is (ignoring spirit, because thats more of a personal comfort zone) mastery>crit>haste, and I keep haste at roughly 5% in order to make sure that when I respec holy I can still reach that 12.5% threshold.
My stat priority for holy is haste (to 12.5%)>mastery>crit. So, at this level of gear, there isn't a huge difference between the gear for each of my specs. This works quite well for me.

As disc, you should most definitely be gearing for mastery.

A problem you might face is raid healing as holy geared for mastery with a resto druid. In my experience resto druids make holy mastery completely and utterly useless.
What I would suggest to you would be to pick a spec and make it your "main-spec" and gear entirely for it. In my honest opinion that should be disc, but that could be a little biased. When you have the opportunity pick up some equivalent pieces of gear for your offspec that you can enchant/gem/reforge different if you so choose (for example, when holy I use Core of Ripeness, but when disc I use DMC:Volcano).

You could gear for haste as a "middle path", but its relatively weak for disc unless you are using atonement and atonement only. It is also not as necessary for holy after 12.5% raid buffed, but that I find is completely based on player preference.

[Dyra]

If Pala/Sham/Priest is the set-up that crops up most often (ideally more than 50% of the time anyway), I'ld be more inclined to just build the Haste heavy set regardless of spec, and have the Paladin as the lead Tank healer with you taking more of a raid healing role.

If you really want to specialise then take the Discipline route, and have a Disc raid heal spec and a Disc single target heal spec. And pick up spare pieces as and where you can that you can gem and reforge differently for each spec. I used to be heavily biased towards Holy, but that Barrier and the mitigation superpower bought to the table by Discipline is just too powerful to pass up this tier.

[Deleted]

In my 10m raid I usually heal with a paladin and a druid. I used to go for mastery as holy but found too much of the hot got wasted because of overhealing. So I changed my gear an favoured haste and it works much better for me.

As holy is my main spec my gear is optimized for it and not for disc, but haste>mastery>crit seems to work for disc as well. (At least on the fights where I go disc).

I wouldn't hesitate to take some pieces with crit to use for disc, but they have to drop... (and I have to win the roll)

[Mazi]

I run @ 2.1 sec cast time on PoH and the rest Crit (stuff I can't get rid of) and Mastery. To reach thresholds and get more information on healing as holy check out my guide: http://plusheal.com/forum/m/1833799/...iding-guide-42

[Verth Aeyta]

I run in a 10m guild with similar compositions to you and I actually don't run a Holy spec anymore, I'm running a duo-disc spec, one with AA/A and one without in any case stack Haste, you'll be better off, I tried Mastery and while nice numbers my reaction time was lower than I really wanted. Crit is by far a horrible stat even in the case of disc, get what you can from gear if you much but by no means stack it.

BTW Mazi, your Avatar just put me in a semi trance here at work.. such an awesome avatar.

[Peppercat]

A good and very balanced setup for both specs is getting Heal, PoH, GH etc to 2.1, then either balancing crit and mastery or focusing on one (generally mastery).

That's how I seamlessly swap between both in the same gearset.

[Mazi]

BTW Mazi, your Avatar just put me in a semi trance here at work.. such an awesome avatar.

I get that often :P

[Deleted]

To begin with, that 12,5% Haste is nonsense IMO (at least in Disci). Holy specs may want that 12,5% but that "magic number" isn't as important as the Hit cap is for Dps classes.

That said, I have mainly the same gear for both specs. I must have 5 or 6 different items.
Holy spec I have more Mastery and a bit more Haste.
Disci spec I've slightly less Mastery (about 2 points) but more crit.

If you are gearing Holy for Raid healing and Disci for MT healing, I'd say :

Spirit + Haste : Use for Holy spec (reforge Haste -> Mastery if using for both specs)
Spirit + Mastery : Use for both specs.
Spriri + Crit : Use for Disci spec (Reforge Crit -> Mastery if using for both specs)

This is what I do and what I prefer

[Kelesti]

BTW Mazi, your awesomeness just put me in a semi trance here at work.. such an awesome person.

That's a little more accurate. The epic avatar's only the delicious icing on the cake.

[Mazi]

That's a little more accurate. The epic avatar's only the delicious icing on the cake.

Aww Kel I've never known you to be so kind! :P

[TheTrueM4gg0t]

Thanks people, many interesting thoughts and some good advice here!
I guess i'll give my current gear (mas >haste) a try a disc, and then try a full haste gear setup for both speccs, and see what happens.
I've got quite a few offspecc items I could reforge and use for disc only (one or the other crit/haste item wont kill the manareg completly)

and yes Mazi, that avatar is great!
Stared at it for 10seconds, thinking: wtf? now what?
then suddenly it got me... now my whole face is hurting because I had to laugh so much, and I'm still grining all around the place :-D

[Verth Aeyta]

That's a little more accurate. The epic avatar's only the delicious icing on the cake.

I really want cake now... thanks! So much for my diet today...

[Mikayo]

I try to keep my haste and mastery balanced as much as possible. I do not swap gear between specs.
I haven't theorycrafted anything but it's working very well for me.

[figgis]

I try to keep my haste and mastery balanced as much as possible. I do not swap gear between specs.
I haven't theorycrafted anything but it's working very well for me.

i do about the same thing... i use to be holy MS and geared all haste had like 1700 and then firelands hit and disc with all its cds and bubbles has won my heart >.> so i ran with a high haste build for aoe healing and ive found that at 2.2 second casts on PoH unbuffed was enough that let me drop my 4p and about 300 spirit and its working well as holy havent oomed and we have been bashing our faces on rag and ive been holy(two holy pallies ftl) and as disc its good on mana and if u roll with AA spec its endless mana u probably wont oom at all as long as u maintain rapture.

all in all proper spell choice > stat set up.

[Dorfie]

All 3 secondary stats for Disc are roughly equal and a good balance is nice. Mastery is mainly for raid healing, with crit for tank healing. Mastery benefits both equally, or though is probably more suited for PoH and bubble spam.

If you gear haste and mastery as Holy, you should do perfectly fine as Disc, even tank healing. Disc gets a naturally high crit chance from talents and a higher intellect, so the extra few % crit won't really be noticeable.