Can Tyrael die?

[Dabrix32]

So Tyrael was once an angel and became mortal. I like how his conversations show him trying to become more human. Its kind of funny that he doesnt understand a lot of things, especially love. But Im curious about one thing. Because hes a mortal I assume he can die or be killed so what happens if he does die? The game has established that there is a Heaven and there are Angels. Whether or not you believe that in real life is irrelevant as they both exist in the game world. So say Tyrael does die does that mean he just goes back to Heaven and takes up his old job?

Or can he even be killed? You can kill off your followers if you pull too much or get a bunch of nasty AoE. You also killed off Leah who followed you during a few parts of the game. But no matter how many mobs swarm on Tyrael he never even comes close to dying. He was so damn OP after launch that Blizzard even had to nerf him because he was soloing Rakkis Crossing and parts of Act 4.

Also the new dialogue with Lorath where he cant seem to figure out the whole eating thing makes it seem like he's just now started to eat. Wasnt he already mortal when you find him? So why hasnt he starved to death already? I dont know how much game time passes in the actual game between start of Act 1 where you find him and after you kill Diablo but Im pretty sure its long enough to kill any mortal if they dont eat.

So can Tyrael actually die or be killed? I dont know anything really about previous Lore from Diablo 2 or anything else pertaining to his history. Just going by my observations so far in this game.

[Jester Joe]

Judging by the trailer for Reaper of Souls, I'd say yes, he can, since he was almost killed, but only let live because he had no demon blood

[Fencers]

Tyreal is said to be mortal now. So yes.

Mortality is the certainty of finality to life. One can not be mortal and be incapable of dying. It's a contradiction.

Edit: It should be noted that Tyreal is probably an exceptional mortal, however. Just like the Nephalem or the original Diablo heroes. It's not like Tyreal is just some dude off the street- he's exceptionally powerful, knowledgeable and skilled compared to like mundane mortals. He is still a mortal though.

[Deleted]

Several months pass between the end of D3 and the start of RoS. Sufficient time for Tyrael to lose track of the Nephalem's location, and for him to re-establish the Horadrim.

He has been eating this entire time since he is mortal and can indeed die. I think his line about getting the day's eating out of the way in one go was just for comedic effect to show that he has had trouble adapting to "human" life.

If he's still technically an angel he'd cease to exist and a new (but different) angel would be born in his place.
If he's human, his soul would move outside of the reach of both heaven and hell unless he was trapped in a stone or something similar.

[Dabrix32]

OK so posted the same thing on official forums and the troll replies stopped and actually getting some that maybe explain things. When they are killed Demons are reborn in the Black Abyss and Angels at the Crystal Arch. Hence why its called "The Eternal Conflict". as they just keep coming back. Even though Tyrael is now mortal wouldnt his species always be Angel? So if he dies I assume he is reborn in Heaven?

Also what about the Demon souls in the black soulstone? I assume the reason they were being held there is Demons cant be reborn or take over another body without their soul. So trapping them inside the soulstone means they will never return to this world. When Malthael destroys the soulstone does that mean that every Demon soul was released and will eventually show back up? Also since Malthael is an Angel doesnt he just go back to Heaven to be reborn? Holy crap this stuff is confusing.

Theres a ton of Lore it seems in the Diablo World. I never played Diablo 2 so this is all new to me. Normally Im not a real big Lore person but this stuff is cool. Why the hell didnt Blizzard use any of this in the actual game? Its like they had all this awesome Lore available and they just shoved it into storage somewhere never to be seen again.

[Jester Joe]

Not extremely into the lore, but I'll give my best educated guesses.

OK so posted the same thing on official forums and the troll replies stopped and actually getting some that maybe explain things. When they are killed Demons are reborn in the Black Abyss and Angels at the Crystal Arch. Hence why its called "The Eternal Conflict". as they just keep coming back. Even though Tyrael is now mortal wouldnt his species always be Angel? So if he dies I assume he is reborn in Heaven?

No, he completely abandoned it, he is a full blown mortal through and through, hence why he was unaffected by anything Diablo did to the Crystal Spire or whatever.

Also what about the Demon souls in the black soulstone? I assume the reason they were being held there is Demons cant be reborn or take over another body without their soul. So trapping them inside the soulstone means they will never return to this world. When Malthael destroys the soulstone does that mean that every Demon soul was released and will eventually show back up? Also since Malthael is an Angel doesnt he just go back to Heaven to be reborn? Holy crap this stuff is confusing.

At first I believe Malthael consumed the soulstone, but yes, they're free now, Tyrael himself said it in a lackluster way.
And I would believe most likely he would come back.

Theres a ton of Lore it seems in the Diablo World. I never played Diablo 2 so this is all new to me. Normally Im not a real big Lore person but this stuff is cool. Why the hell didnt Blizzard use any of this in the actual game? Its like they had all this awesome Lore available and they just shoved it into storage somewhere never to be seen again.

To be honest, I don't believe much lore was in Diablo 2 either, except you'd know a bit more about Deckard Cain. Most of it seems to be in the books, I believe there's a book about Tyrael himself, and Deckard Cain too? Not 100% on that, but there are books!

[Dabrix32]

To be honest, I don't believe much lore was in Diablo 2 either, except you'd know a bit more about Deckard Cain. Most of it seems to be in the books, I believe there's a book about Tyrael himself, and Deckard Cain too? Not 100% on that, but there are books!

so its not actually Blizzard created Lore? Still a lot of it seems cool they should have used it. They could have made a really good game if it had some deep Lore and a good story to follow. Sure it would still be about the Grind but a nice plot line helps ease the pain of endless grinding.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Blizzard did create the lore but it's based on religion at least slightly.

[Simulacrum]

I wouldn't expect anything to make sense within the diablo universe (or indeed any blizzard universe), and that the things that don't make sense will be ignored until they're relevant to the plot, at which point they will be retconned (into something that also makes no sense, but allows for whatever plot they want to advance to take place), making all pondering useless.

[-aiko-]

Edit: It should be noted that Tyreal is probably an exceptional mortal, however. Just like the Nephalem or the original Diablo heroes. It's not like Tyreal is just some dude off the street- he's exceptionally powerful, knowledgeable and skilled compared to like mundane mortals. He is still a mortal though.

What is a little upsetting is that while this is the case, throughout most of the D3 campaigns you keep seeing him losing battles or becoming depressed and boring. Not enough of him being awesome and doing awesome things.

He's the Nephalem's bitch.

[vindicatorx]

So Tyrael was once an angel and became mortal.

mor·tal [mawr-tl]
adjective
1. subject to death; having a transitory life: all mortal creatures.

Now using simple logic I'm going to say yes.

[Deleted]

He's the Nephalem's bitch.

That's kinda the point though :P The current Nephalem is the most powerful being in existence right now. If it was us following Tyrael around as his sidekick then when the Neph inevitably turns evil we'd just say "Tyrael will fix it".

Tyrael is the first of his kind afaik; an angel who abandoned his position and chose humanity. Seeing him deal with that and realising he's no longer capable of the feats he was before, and can even die now, is what creates the interest in his struggle against evil. If it was him 1-shotting everything then that would be boring IMO. I feel like he has a much more Deckard type of role now. Warding humanity and making sure they're able to deal with outside threats by equipping them with the knowledge and skills they need.

Unrelated, but I hope we get to kill Imperius at some point. That dude is just asking for it. How can someone get their ass kicked and kingdom destroyed by Leahblo and then act like a complete douche to both his saviours?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

That's kinda the point though :P The current Nephalem is the most powerful being in existence right now. If it was us following Tyrael around as his sidekick then when the Neph inevitably turns evil we'd just say "Tyrael will fix it".

Tyrael is the first of his kind afaik; an angel who abandoned his position and chose humanity. Seeing him deal with that and realising he's no longer capable of the feats he was before, and can even die now, is what creates the interest in his struggle against evil. If it was him 1-shotting everything then that would be boring IMO.

Unrelated, but I hope we get to kill Imperius at some point. That dude is just asking for it. How can someone get their ass kicked and kingdom destroyed by Leahblo and then act like a complete douche to both his saviours?

Angel of Wrath calling it!

[-aiko-]

If it was him 1-shotting everything then that would be boring IMO.

It just created a disconnect for me with the lore.

Like, my character was brooding that she "couldn't defeat Diablo without Tyrael" and then she defeats Diablo without Tyrael.

Tyrael just felt like another mortal to me. They tried to make him all important in dialogue and stuff but he felt like he was just another guard or soldier. I dunno, might just me? I didn't want him running around and one shotting things but he sure didn't show any sign that he was a superior mortal.

[chazus]

I think part of the problem is confusing "Mortal" with "Human". He's simply a mortal angel. He is not a human, and not as weak as one either.

[Jester Joe]

so its not actually Blizzard created Lore? Still a lot of it seems cool they should have used it. They could have made a really good game if it had some deep Lore and a good story to follow. Sure it would still be about the Grind but a nice plot line helps ease the pain of endless grinding.

I believe how it works is they hire authors to write an overall plot and then check it to approve of it? Not 100% on that honestly.

Unrelated, but I hope we get to kill Imperius at some point. That dude is just asking for it. How can someone get their ass kicked and kingdom destroyed by Leahblo and then act like a complete douche to both his saviours?

Did you just make that up or is that a serious term people are using for it? Because that's amazing.

Tyrael just felt like another mortal to me. They tried to make him all important in dialogue and stuff but he felt like he was just another guard or soldier. I dunno, might just me? I didn't want him running around and one shotting things but he sure didn't show any sign that he was a superior mortal.

He one shotted those doors, how could he be average?!

[Deleted]

I think part of the problem is confusing "Mortal" with "Human". He's simply a mortal angel. He is not a human, and not as weak as one either.

He is slightly weaker than his previous form though. His comments on feeling pain before but nothing like what he's experiencing now, and his slower recovery from battle indicates that he has lost at least a little part of his power. He still has powerful angelic abilities clearly, demonstrated by his magic in the opening cutscene but he's definitely downgraded.

He can also feel human emotions like despair and terror, as he displayed in Act 4 aswell as guilt over the angels' and Leah's deaths at the hands of Diablo.

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Did you just make that up or is that a serious term people are using for it? Because that's amazing.

I've never heard anyone else use it but I'm sure I'm not the first :P I've always called her that.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

TBH I feel the same with Tyrael. In the vanilla version he talks about the thrill of battle. I'm like "Yeah you go kick ass" ....Not really. THAT is what bugs me.

[zoomgpally]

Angel of Wrath calling it!

I'd prefer Angel of Arrogance.
They wouldn't even need any lore to explain that.

[Deleted]

You can live as long as the universe does, be completely impervious to things that would kill a normal human being, and still be mortal. The word is moot.

Can Tyrael die, though? Well, who the hell knows. The demons resurrect in Hell, so who's to say angels don't resurrect in Heaven?