Heartfelt Night elf account has changed my mind

[ravenmoon]

Saw this on the EU forums, what a heart wrenching synopsis on the Night elves that has moved me to change my opinion on the Nightborne. For the choice they made, they belong on the horde, but they don't deserve comforts and luxuries they've been enjoying for the last 12k years.

Nightshot of:
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...ide-Nordrassil

They may be on the horde, but it isn’t their “rightful” place, nor is it the “rightful” place of the Blood elves.

But for all the things they’ve done in game, both Blood elf and Nightborne deserve to be on the horde, and they can stay there.

I have far more respect for the courage of the High elves and the decision of the Highborne and void elves to ally with their right minded people on the alliance (i.e. the Night elves and High elves). My highest respect goes for the Darnassian Kaldorei - the true elven stars, who opposed the Legion from the get go, whose efforts resulted in its first ever defeat, who bravely even set aside their very powerful and loved magic for as long as 10k years to keep the demons away, (you don’t realise what a sacrifice that was to a kaldorei) then sacrificed their immortality and lives again to prevent the second invasion succeeding.

Since then they’ve been stalwart defenders of life and what’s right, they chose mercy and acceptance when the Shen’dralar Highborne, now free of corruption and addiction were prepared to play ball and do the right thing. Accepted them back for who they are, and let them lead the way on kaldorei magical affairs like in pre-sundering times, trusting their kin, in an extraordinary act of reconciliation.

Continued risking and spending their lives to save us, extended mercy to the very orcs who had rampaged across their homes in Cataclysm on blood crazed conquest, yet supported mercy and a war tribunal. When Azeroth was under threat by the iron horde, the Night elves sent representatives, mages, druids, priests, the Warden Cordanna.

They fought valiantly against the Legion’s final assault, stepped in and did all they could to save their former city and kin who’d become Nightborne due to over addiction, risking their lives again for the same people who had sealed up their mutual home city leaving them to die at the hands of the demons in the first war, refusing to lend the power of the newly created nightwell, but these guys stepped in anyway to help their former kin and former home city - and how do the Nightborne repay that sacrifice, jump into bed with the elves and faction who hate them and very nearly totally wiped them out.

They’ve been grossly going from one hardship and stress to another, they haven’t had a break, always giving of themselves. And when the alliance wouldn’t send soldiers to help reclaim Darkshore against the very horde army that had nearly wiped their faction out, they still sent soldiers to help in the War against Dazar’alor

Makes me wonder if blizzard realised how incredible they’ve made this guys and whether they realise how much hardship they’ve written them through - they’re due a massive windfall and as fan, Suramar is one of the least things they can do, Nightborne and horde don’t deserve it - let the original citizens return, let them get their immortality back, let them get powerful using their Well of Eternity and World tree - let it be up and up for the Night elves now.

You can have the Nightborne who chose to follow people like the Sin’dorei and the Forsaken, not even holding council or enquiring of their bros, or consider the impact such a relationship and affliation would have on not just the Darnassian faction but the other racial kaldorei like the valewalkers, Dreamers and priests from Val’Sharah who’d been helping them and the Moonguard. Because Tyrande wasn’t fawning over them, and didn’t approach them as quickly as Liadrin to ask for allegiance - they made such a monumental decision. Pffft

Yeh, for making such decision, the Nightborne deserve the horde, and they don’t deserve to be comfortable in Suramar again while those who’ve paid the price for 10k years and are still paying, are out homeless after doing everything to save, help and keep the world safe.
If there is any justice, the least the Shal’dorei can do is welcome the Darnassians back home regardless of what the horde say, the very lest, and if they refuse, they should lose Suramar.

I also agree, they don't deserve Suramar, and the lore has shown them to be shallow and hypocritical too. While I have supported a sharing of the city as the best option, from a lore point of view, The Nightborne should be kicked out and face some hardship for a change, let them go bunk with the blood elves they love so much, let the Darnassians return home and find rest in the city they've been forced to live away for 10,000 years.. this was incredible.

[Feanoro]

It's a great post, but this topic will soon be bombed by:
- I hate elves! My grimdarktoomatureforyou race is better!
- How dare Alliance players want anything just because they pay the same sub as me!
- I hate your elves but not mine because I take factions WAAAAAAAAAAY too seriously!

The best summary I've ever seen is stating that for the Kal'dorei, it's been a post apocalyptic world for ten thousand years. That's been completely lost between the aging Horde metalhead writers (who somehow fail to realize Metzen sketched NElf concepts at a metal concert) with their RAWRSMASHDUUUUUUUDECOOL mindset and the non-toxic masculinity crowd that loves masochism.

[Varodoc]

That won't happen. If night elves are to receive a new hub, it will be Mount Hyjal. We already know Tyrande has her eyes set on that place.

[Super Dickmann]

I don't care for the Nightborne and think they're redundant, but on the other hand night elf mages and advanced night elf cities are a pestilence.

Truly a dilemma. Or it would be if there was any chance this went anywhere.

[mickybrighteyes]

I also agree, they don't deserve Suramar,

they don't deserve THEIR city that they resided in for not only the last 1200 years but since before the sundering...




ummm... yeah no.

[EbaumsTipster]

Yeah, no. They bombed the tree BECAUSE Night Elf fans cried for a decade+ that they wanted them to be feral and angry again, so no fancy city for you.

[ravenmoon]

Yeah, no. They bombed the tree BECAUSE Night Elf fans cried for a decade+ that they wanted them to be feral and angry again, so no fancy city for you.

Not every night elf fan wants the entire race to be angry and feral. Feral races are not what you call elves. Those who do want this are better off switching race type to worgen or troll, vulpera or something along those lines.

[Maljinwo]

Elfposting was a mistake

[Super Dickmann]

Not every night elf fan wants the entire race to be angry and feral. Feral races are not what you call elves. Those who do want this are better off switching race type to worgen or troll, vulpera or something along those lines.

"If you want to play the race that was described as 'more savage', forest dwelling and aggressive from literally their first appearance and is also an elf, roll a midget fox furry"

People who want night elves to have their fundamental qualities be made secondary to being magic-dwelling city elves are our misfortune.

[taishar68]

It's a great post, but this topic will soon be bombed by:
- I hate elves! My grimdarktoomatureforyou race is better!
- How dare Alliance players want anything just because they pay the same sub as me!
- I hate your elves but not mine because I take factions WAAAAAAAAAAY too seriously!

The best summary I've ever seen is stating that for the Kal'dorei, it's been a post apocalyptic world for ten thousand years. That's been completely lost between the aging Horde metalhead writers (who somehow fail to realize Metzen sketched NElf concepts at a metal concert) with their RAWRSMASHDUUUUUUUDECOOL mindset and the non-toxic masculinity crowd that loves masochism.

Do you really know anyone this immature? I don't know that I've ever came across anyone in game who even approaches the level needed to lampoon them with such hyperbole. But I do live a sheltered life, so...

[ravenmoon]

they don't deserve THEIR city that they resided in for not only the last 1200 years but since before the sundering...

Man, your kin, who's actions aved you not once but twise when you instead of helping, locked up the city you share, and left them to the winds of fate. Turns out they won, saving you and the world, but can't return home because you've compeltleyly shielded up and continue great lives in the only standing city or part of a city left. They continue steadfastly living in magic-less environment faithfully doing everything they can to prevent a second return, despit all such sacrifice it happens again, and theyre they are givin gup more stuff ot save the world, eventually the legion's 3rd return, the shield comes back their is beautiful Suramar unchanged since 10k years, but instead of hero night levs this addiction warped night elf group has sold themselves to the Legion for fear they would lose their lifestyle and comforts, yet again you step in (excuse me if you're not all smiles and empathy) and you again help save your city and the very people who were cowards before, but now even worse, side with thel egion.

And yes tthiis time those who resist don't run and hide but help fight, however afterwards, you instead decide to ally with a group that you know would put you at enemy with a race that you are directly from, of people who shared the very homes and streets you've been walking on, but instead gave so much not once but twice, directly in your interest, and you instead do this, citing that "perhaps elune's wisdom prevented her from coming over " and "were reluctant" as good enough reason, and then you sit by in comfort and luxury doing nothing while they burn your own kin alive, and the survivors are homeless, while you are in the original city their faction comes from - and you feel it's okay not to do a thing.

You think this half of the Suramar night elves deserve to still be in there, while the brave half who've given so much shouldn't, just because the first have been living there for the last 10,000 without a care and would still not do anything after all the help they've got.

Your reasoning been, they've been there for th e last 10k years so they deserve it.


right.

To All Nightborne fans
It’s also incredible that on seeing what the night elves have gone through you would still support the Nightborne over them… if I were a Nightborne, I’d be banging on Thalyssra’s door and telling her we’ve got to help, SCREW the horde, we’ve got to call them home - the city has more than enough room after the losses in Legion, they’re are kin, they’ve sacrificed and gone far above and beyond, we can’t do nothing.

And if she fails to comply, I’d be banging on every nightborne’s door, maybe the likes of Ly’leth Lunastre and others would.
I would not be coming on in character, trying to dis the night elves and distance or dissociate them from their original home. Even if I had to stay horde, I’d go to the blood elves, look, I like you and I’m grateful for all your help, but I have to help them too, and I won’t turn a blind eye, you have a choice to support me or stand aside, but don’t get in my way.

[valky94]

I also agree, they don't deserve Suramar, and the lore has shown them to be shallow and hypocritical too. While I have supported a sharing of the city as the best option, from a lore point of view, The Nightborne should be kicked out and face some hardship for a change, let them go bunk with the blood elves they love so much, let the Darnassians return home and find rest in the city they've been forced to live away for 10,000 years.. this was incredible.

no lol 10 char

[ravenmoon]

"If you want to play the race that was described as 'more savage', forest dwelling and aggressive from literally their first appearance and is also an elf, roll a midget fox furry"

yet that same race has also been described, as benevolent, graceful, highly magical and done wondroust hing.

Yet if I want to play that side of them, I can't because you believe that savage, forest dwelling and aggressive is the only way they can be. Right. Maybe I chose night elves because they have both these qualities, and i'd like to see both continue, not just one. And that regardless of what other sub-races have or don't have.

People who want night elves to have their fundamental qualities be made secondary to being magic-dwelling city elves are our misfortune.

People who don't know night elves and don't know that they're fundamentally both dually a magic-wielding, high civilization, benevolent race as well as having a more savage, forest dwelling and aggressive side, clearly don't know what they are talking about and should go research the group more before they make such comments.

[EbaumsTipster]

I think you'd be better off coping with the fact that the "Night Elf Highborne" playerbase is tiny and won't get stuff.

[Jeina]

Already raided Suramar once. Don't want to do it again when Tyrande becomes a villain.

[Theoris]

I have a slight suspicion Nightshot might be biased.

[Saltysquidoon]

Trust me guys the faction lead by 9/10th of a wild god and the avatar of vengeance that spent 10,000 years living in trees without arcane magic are actually super sophisticated arcane obsessed city dwellers that want to drink wine literally made of mana.

This is such a bizarre hill to die on I'm impressed MMO-c has not one but two highborne posters.

[Maljinwo]

Trolls should have Stormwind. It's only natural that they get their lands back as they are the original Azerothian Empire.
They are the first mortal race to have opposed the Void and fought against the Legion as well.

As a matter of fact I will now start 2 posts a week detailing how important Arcane Magic is for troll culture since they have been using it since before the Sundering and didn't need to siphon energy from the planet's blood unlike those barbarian kaldorei who can't even regenerate as they mutated beyond recognition and attracted the legion to this world with their reckless use of this energy

[Super Dickmann]

yet that same race has also been described, as benevolent, graceful, highly magical and done wondroust hing.

Yet if I want to play that side of them, I can't because you believe that savage, forest dwelling and aggressive is the only way they can be. Right. Maybe I chose night elves because they have both these qualities, and i'd like to see both continue, not just one. And that regardless of what other sub-races have or don't have.

You are welcome to want it, but you are an extreme minority and what you want damages their core identity, which is based around them being forest-dwelling savage elves, who did have a magical empire but purposefully left that aspect behind in favor of their connection to nature and Elune and the vigil they'd taken up. The reason they didn't build giant cities during those 10k years isn't because they can't do it, but because they chose not to, because they were shaped away from that direction and those who did practice that got exiled because they didn't learn what the night elves learned. Remove this aspect and you remove the cultural gap between night and high elves and you remove a key component of the night elves, to be replaced by something already handled elsewhere - it dumbs down the contrast between races, weakens both identities and makes the Long Vigil and the schism that followed retarded. Arcane night elves are the double whammy of being bad for their own race by taking limited screen time away from the identity the majority of people care about and being bad for other races by making the conflicts they clashed over retroactively meaningless.

People who don't know night elves and don't know that they're fundamentally both dually a magic-wielding, high civilization, benevolent race as well as having a more savage, forest dwelling and aggressive side, clearly don't know what they are talking about and should go research the group more before they make such comments.

No, they most definitely aren't. There's a reason 99% of all night elf appearances are about the Sentinels, Druids and Priesthood of Elune whereas the magi are an extreme fringe and why whenever there is focus on the actual playable night elves, the most popular aspects hearken back to what set the Night Elves apart from the generic civilized magic elf stereotype that you can easily find in the Blood Elves or now Nightborne. Put another way, there was a reason that Mordent appeared for a quick cameo to be beat down by Horde players in Darkshore while the Archdruid and the avatar of Elune's vengeance got questlines and cutscenes and why their army has a negligible amount of mages and an extreme focus on the WC3 identity people actually like.

tl;dr Sylvanas should've destroyed Suramar and Eldre'thalas instead of Teldrassil.

[ravenmoon]

You are welcome to want it, but you are an extreme minority and what you want damages their core identity.

Damage their core identity? I don't think you get what their core identity is. You really should go to the source material and the whole collection of the lore not just the few sections you endlessly repeated if you want to get their core identity. This topic is a wealth of resources on the matter, I highly recommend.


https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2548541-Night-Elves-Magic-amp-the-Arcane-Common-Misconceptions-amp-Things-You-Didn-t-Consider

No, they most definitely aren't. There's a reason 99% of all night elf appearances are about the Sentinels, Druids and Priesthood of Elune whereas the magi are an extreme fringe and why whenever there is focus on the actual playable night elves, the most popular aspects hearken back to what set the Night Elves apart from the generic civilized magic elf stereotype that you can easily find in the Blood Elves or now Nightborne. Put another way, there was a reason that Mordent appeared for a quick cameo to be beat down by Horde players in Darkshore.

You don't know what you're talking about. 99%? HAve you read WotA, Wolfheart, Illidan - that's 5 books, played Cataclysm, Legion, paid attention to every non-druid night elf. Do you understand what the priesthood actually is and what their culture and role is before you assume that anything that isn't forest based is fringe and minor.

Did it ever occur to you there is a reason the race is called Night elf not "forest" and not "wood" elf, and there is more to what you think is the "core" of the race? Or are you just annoyed at being called out? And just can't stand it so you are closing your mind and eyes to seeing what is being pointed out. Go visit the link about, look at what the delveopers have released concenring the nigh tleves in all the material they've provided, look at their thoughts on the race as well, and what is actually in its core and was their intention, and then careful consider how they've developed it and look at all the things, assets and groups they've implemented, stories they've told, and come back and tell me if you think the core of the night elves is just forest elf.