She was fine (imo) until about.... Legion I guess?
She was fine (imo) until about.... Legion I guess?
I don't play WoW anymore smh.
So, you call anyone questioning Sylvy an ass***??!?
I think the irony of self-urging necessity to explain one's fanaticism with an emo meme character and calling anyone else a-word is great with this one!
No need to explain love. No need.
The crooked shitposter with no eyes is watching from the endless thread.
From the space that is everywhere and nowhere, the crooked shitposter feasts on memes.
He has no eyes to see, but he dreams of infinite memeing and trolling.
The character is a yawning maw of baffling contradictions in motivation. We didn't even get a concrete idea of what their purpose was until a cutscene we can't even access in-game yet for what's likely a couple of weeks and even that purpose is poorly exposited and its logic punched through by a sheltered teenager. Her presentation in-game and in prior cutscenes also directly contradict this same motivation with her actions being defined largely by split-second decisions and emotionally driven impulsivity, but then later telling us it was planned.
If you need a character to say "No more bullshit, here's a 4 minute monologue" effectively three games into their master plan, you probably have failed to make their ethos and goals coherent in the first place.
There are plenty of mean or outright despicable characters that are still beloved. Azshara was probably the best thing about BFA besides perhaps Bwonsamdi and was well-received but her actions are presented as downright sadistic and petty. The extent of her crimes are just as broad and arguably more selfish. People still like them. Hell, the most iconic and popular character in the damn franchise, Arthas, is about as far into evil alignment as anything and any retcon that back creates more controversy, not less.
If you're overly focused on the reception of the character, need to share Tumblr memes to make an argument for why they're not terrible, and can't understand why the reception is poor in the first place, maybe you're the one who is struggling to look at them beyond the lens of your fandom.
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Tell 'em!!! I am so on board with this, especially the last part...
There's so much retcon that is going to go on with good 'ole Slyvanas, we all know this much. Heck it has already been done. I personally am interested in Anduin and whether or not *** spoiler alert***If you're overly focused on the reception of the character, need to share Tumblr memes to make an argument for why they're not terrible, and can't understand why the reception is poor in the first place, maybe you're the one who is struggling to look at them beyond the lens of your fandom.
will he accept her final offer?
There are so many directions in which this can go and I personally am very excited to see. What about you all?! (¬‿¬)(¬‿¬)
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In the Silverpine quest area, there's a scene where Garrosh tells her "We all face our makers. Some sooner than others" or something like that.
What I find VERY interesting is that Garrosh is in Shadowlands. And you know who else is there, who could be considered Sylvanas' maker? Arthas. And through him, the Maw/Jailor.
I haven't even finished leveling yet. So maybe this has already been answered. But I think there's some potential twists there.
but she isn't
they ruined her with how they tried to sh8tcon how she was, it maybe bad to make her 'now' evil, but at least it would make sense instead of make it like she is planning that since end of wrath, while we have a LOT of focus on her and even stories where she talks her mind and from her pov, yet she was - back then - total oblivious about the jailer and that she is supposed to be evil and not care about horde at all
they f8cked it horribly, they shouldn't done that, and ppl here detailed it better than me
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because he is idiotic peace lover doesn't make him a bad character
if u remove anduin, we back to varian style of kill all orcs, and i find that even more stupid in a world full of old gods (who may or may not be dead?), demons (who also may or may not be dead -.-), corrupted titans (who may or may not break from jail) and now the afterlife world (who probably won't have any effect on us while living)
tbh wow now is more uncertain than before, we used to know who is enemy, now they conjure enemies out of their farts, void lords and turn the mighty ruthless sargeras to loli-rapist wannabe may hurt wow lore a lot (don't get me wrong, i loved legion exp a lot, but sargeras desire to 'penetrate' azeroth and even lust for it is disturbing)
The beginning of wisdom is the statement 'I do not know.' The person who cannot make that statement is one who will never learn anything. And I have prided myself on my ability to learn
Thrall
http://youtu.be/x3ejO7Nssj8 7:20+ "Alliance remaining super power", clearly blizz favor horde too much, that they made alliance the super power
I liked Sylvanas at the start of BFA. What she was doing made perfect sense from a 'cold calculus of war' perspective.
Now... Ehhh. She's the least interesting part of Shadowlands.
Sylvanas seems to be best when she has lots of characters around her to contrast with. The interactions between her and Saurfang, Garrosh, Lor'themar and Varimathras gave her texture. Anduin is not a good foil for her because they are so fundamentally dissimilar; she could say the sky's blue and Anduin'd say "no! youre wrong".
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You can say that the writing for Genn, Anduin, Jaina, Baine, whoever's leading the Darkspear trolls (pointing to the irony of how I can't even remember who it is here), Lor'themar, or Mekkatorque are all better than the writing for HER? Anduin is one of the most boring and passive characters I've seen in the game and I've been playing since vanilla. Hell I think Magni had better writing and was more interesting when he was turned into a diamond sitting in Ironforge than Anduin has ever been.
I'm not. I'm simply saying how the meme I saw describes perfectly how one can like a how one can enjoy how a character is written but still acknowledge that the character is not a "good guy" and does "not good things".
After seeing the latest cutscene I have a suspicion that there's a lot more going on than we can even imagine and it is for the good not the bad. I also have a sneaking suspicion that Anduin's days are numbered given what she says to him in regards to the Wynn family heritage.
She never cared about other undead. She has always been a selfish character in that regard.
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I can't speak for others but I am speaking relatively. Like, for WoW. WoW has poor writing in general and Sylvanas isn't an exception to this rule. But of WoW's characters, she is one of the more consistent ones at least.
This is Gul Dukat of DS9, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gwj...el=MediaZealot, he was a great character because the writers and the cast acknowledged his general incompetence. That juxtaposition between his subjective reality and the objective reality made him a memorable and great character.
Sylvanas is Gul Dukat, except the people around her and the writers are too busy fellating her despite everything in the game showing her as top-tier incompetent. She was fooled four times, the second time fatally and she's learned nothing from the first time. Nothing of that says "great character" or "smart character" for that matter. She practically delivered herself gift-wrapped to Arthas. He swung the blade and she literally put herself underneath it due to her massive ego that made her go herself so she could get the glory instead of sending people to do it. If the general is lost the battle is lost, if a unit is lost you you can recover even though their absence can be felt.
She's no great character. She would be if everyone acknowledged her massive narcissism and incompetence and she was just an unreliable narrator, instead, Blizzard is effectively enabling her by giving her massive plot armour and generally making her a karma houdini.
This is what I tried to explain to people, when I said I loved Ramsey in GoT. Amazing character. They all thought I was a dickhead and whatever..
I don't know. A good redemption arc actually could be an interesting addition to Sylvanas personal journey as a character. She always stuck me as a character who is torn between the possibility of actually caring for her subjects and allies and her persona as the cold, unsympathetic Banshee Queen. If you ask me, she seems absolutely like a character who suppresses her emotions behind an always smug, cold facade. There were a few moments when the facade was shaking. Her feelings towards the Forsaken, her relationship with her sisters as well as her reaction of becoming Warchief. I feel like it is left ambigious whether or not she cares or not and possibly something she as a character right now couldn't tell honestly either. A redemption arc probably could be a step in admitting to have cared for the Forsaken and the Horde.
She was one of the few interesting characters in WoW. Her character was butchered in BfA. We are supposed to feel bad about virtual genocide. Well, I say fuck nelves and their tree.
This is pretty much spot on. Her interaction with the rest of the Horde was one of the more interesting parts of the game's lore. She should have been stayed a Horde character going back and forth between furthering her interests and Horde's interests.
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Critical hit!
Personally I think she was a well enough written character until BFA. They had to figure out what to do with her after Arthas, which was to attempt to preserve herself and her people. The dynamic of her necromantic goals vs Garrosh's inquiry into them was really cool and I'd say that they should have stuck to it with her. But between Legion and BFA something went wrong. She suddenly and inexplicably went from being the Dark Lady, a dedicated queen of the dead who wanted to help her people, to a covetous and genocidal maniac. Even this could have worked had Before the Storm perhaps gone differently, but that book didn't explain anything and made it clear that the writers expected us to take to this sudden shift of character without really setting the necessary groundwork. It was a shame, really, because I loved the Forsaken plot. They were the antiheroes, being willing to assist in saving the world but exacting their payment in the form of running experiments, plaguing the land around them and raising their enemies into undeath. They were dope.